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mircea_popescu: shitty
trade
tho. i wouldn't spend a year in wheelchair for an extra four inches
mircea_popescu: (yes,
that's how
that "extra" dna from
the mother side works - mitochondria has its own dna set)
mircea_popescu: how are you going
to fix mother dna outside of eugeny ?
mircea_popescu: the fact
that all cultures had beds, and
the fact
that all cultures could go
to bed with any others.
mircea_popescu: sleep is very similar, and in fact one of
the better arguments pro homogenity in
the human race
mircea_popescu: what if, ok. but i dun believe
that has a leg
to stand on.
ThickAsThieves: i
think eating frequency is a factor as well, metabolism
mircea_popescu: if you're going for
this why not make smart pill directly, why bother with sleep pill.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves chetty used
to sleep 4ish hours for many years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but
the premise is flawed.
they're
trying
to escape... into da's office ?
ThickAsThieves: i wonder if people who only sleep 3-5 hrs a day, live more or less waking hours
than
those sleeping 8+
The20YearIRCloud: It's a fixed rate credit line, which is nice as we can go out, buy properties, refinance said properties,
then just continue
to buy more
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform escape <
they still get paid in paypal. what escape. incape.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you ever met
that blessed folk
that will spent sixteen hours a day working
to "make money while
they sleep", 5 dolla an hour ?
ThickAsThieves: who wants
to spend
their waking ours managing
their sleeping ones
mircea_popescu: plenty of people work up
the nerve
to speak over hours. plenty more probably haven't yet. so ?
mircea_popescu: HOW you get
there may be as important as how much
time you spend, neh ?
mircea_popescu: suppose shady gringo in
the kabul market offers
to sell you a dust which, if sparkled around, will
teleport you straight into
tent, no further need for "Wasting
time"
mircea_popescu: suppose
the normal introduction so you may be allowed
there
takes a coupla hours, going
through all
the complicated pashtun honor ceremonies.
mircea_popescu: he lives in a hut, like all
the others, rural pashtun.
mircea_popescu: suppose
there's a well respected, honorful general of
this one
tribe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you got
the stomach for some mysticism ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe humans have a built in hibernation function we dont know how
to work yet
mircea_popescu: i don't
think sleep improvement is impossible per se. but i do
think what's herein contemplated is of
the level of improving cpu caching with drills, lathes and other mechanical
tools.
chetty: mircea_popescu, has
these insane instant change mode switches .... he really don't understand how
the rest of us live
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i dun sell gherkins
to gardners and vodka
to russians.
nubbins`: i
thought
this was some sort of sarcastic butthurt style reddit
nubbins`: oh, it links
to
the ink-mixing post
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so
then just lie down with yourself and relax, it's doable.
mircea_popescu: can you normally
tell what's wrong with you, if something's wrong, and what food item was
the cause, if you're sick ?
mircea_popescu: i
think
the more likely producitve approach is psychologic
tho
mircea_popescu: theres really nothing
to know, you just... lie down and sleep
mircea_popescu: well... so what does
the pill do again ? allows you
to rename
things ? i can do
that w/o pills :D
mircea_popescu: but at
this point, we suddenly face
the danger of falling into nominalism. consider a pill
that zaps 1&2 so you can 3-4 only, withj
the caveat
that
to be used safe over a century, you have
to lie down for
two
to
three hours each day and relax independently of sleep.
mircea_popescu: only problem with
that
test is you won't be able
to distinguish
the source of any side effects - from
the rocketing or from
the rocket.
mircea_popescu: i read
the hypothesis here as "stages 1 and 2 can be safely removed"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform note
that for me
to disprove your stance, all i need is an example of possible failure, which i've satisfied. for you
to support your stance giving a counterexample is not enough.
mircea_popescu: there were some renaissance mechanical models for
this.
mircea_popescu: the human body being a final case of "the protocol is
the code". it works like we've discussed, as
this insane collection of
things repaired by malfunction in unassociated
things
mircea_popescu: now, having a period of
time where it can relax and clean up may be exactly what it needs. even if
this is enforced by cnc paralysis rather
than another venue
mircea_popescu: the reason for
this is
that
the heart can't do
too many regime change cycles a day
mircea_popescu: people who use it outside of
that envelope, such as for instance habitual stimulant abusers, stock brokers and other such "high stress" occupations usually die of heart failure.
mircea_popescu: the heart is a well designed pump,
that works very well in its own engineering envelope.
mircea_popescu: it isn't. you're saying it's "a waste of
time", a spandrel merely means "not directly resulting from selection"
mircea_popescu: but even if it were,
that's still not enough for what you're arguing.
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