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mircea_popescu: had he not died, he'd have been old and by
then formatted.
mircea_popescu: unfortunately
the way
this works, just exactly when apple grew big enough
to fight and win,
mircea_popescu: yes well. i am not interested in buying
technology made by legal depts.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and
that has a very faint but almost identifiable personality.
hanbot: not much of a lesson
there.
mircea_popescu: i imagine 50 million billion
trillion chickpeas sold since
the dawn of agriculture.
hanbot: mircea_popescu i don't
think it's
that simple, most people "beating
their children" would likely result in
the kids hating
their parents rather
than hating fucking up
ben_vulpes: i want a portable compute object
that plugs into
the work station, home station, robot-grocery-carrying-thing
mircea_popescu: toothbrushes sell by
the billion. what sort of argument is
this.
mircea_popescu: listen here, you know what else sold 200mn ?
that shitty japanese electronic
toy
thing.
mircea_popescu: the moral being, beat your children. if
they don't know how
to hate
they don't know how
to matter.
mircea_popescu: "o, we're going
to change
the world, watch us make gunpowder fireworks
that change
the world oooohhh"
mircea_popescu: the actually functioning
touchscreen is
the big challenge
there, and
they solved
that.
the rest is just
trims.
mircea_popescu: serve
the deeply seated human
thirst for anthropomorphising
mircea_popescu: the
tablet being basically a portable head
to attach
to anything you want.
mircea_popescu: make
the
tablet so you can put it into a robot. make your own dog, make your own buzz lightyear, make your own fucktoy.
mircea_popescu: make
the
tablet so you can hook it with any number of
tablets and watch a film with your friends.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if
the
thing were made by me you wouldn't have
the retarded "this is facebook running on javascript" game market, and
the "this is unextensible" view.
kakobrekla: this
thing is not made by stupid managers, its made for stupid people.
kakobrekla: if mp were
the manager,
the
thing would be surprisinglky cool, no colors supported, cost 18k usd and sold 88 pcs.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean
the
techs
that made it were idiots,
they were competent. i mean
their managers were idiots)
mircea_popescu: honestly i
think
tablets will suffer a foss revival much like
the pc did.
mircea_popescu: the
thing is such a waste. if it weren't made by idiots it could have been surprisinglky cool.
ben_vulpes remembers when macos skinning was a
thing
mircea_popescu: browsers are notably going very far on
this basic line, with a "your css" rather
than "website's css" approach
mircea_popescu: the interface is called interface for a reason, and
to specify it as part of
the product is akin
to
the peacock coming with a set of eyes
to look at it with.
mircea_popescu: but anyway,
the solution
to
the "gui problem" is not
to resolve
the gui problem but
to let it resolve itself. whoever wants a different gui should be supported
to make it. skins are
too little
too high up, but still
the right idea.
mircea_popescu: to
the degree someone had
to make a proper nongui interface.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla depending what you mean by "gui" in
that snese, cli is a gui. itdoesn't make beeps after all.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu:
There probably a label used for
that condition somewhere in
the USG, something as an analogue
to
the soviet "Slowly Progressing Schizophrenia"
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> no, i'm with you,
that ui died. < well every ui so far died. gui however did not.
mircea_popescu: that drughead is remarkable in
that while being wrong on each and every
twist and
turn, he's globally right with clockwork regularity.
mircea_popescu: ericans who will grow up with a lower standard of living
than
their parents enjoyed."
mircea_popescu: "Generals and military scholars will
tell you
that eight or 10 years is actually not such a long
time in
the span of human history -- which is no doubt
true -- but history also
tells us
that 10 years of martial law and a war-time economy are going
to feel like a Lifetime
to people who are in
their
twenties
today.
The poor bastards of what will forever be known as Generation Z are doomed
to be
the first generation of Am
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Did you have
the chance
to play with "At Ease" on your Mac?
mircea_popescu: it will die because
the people
that matter dun like its mug.
mircea_popescu: it died for
the exact reason
the usg will die, no matter how it packages itself, no matter how it argues for its own goodness.
kakobrekla: ok
then, no ui, <mircea_popescu> in a "better design" sense
mircea_popescu: for all i care you can
take early macs marketshare in 2011 if it pleases you
kakobrekla: meh,
take
the current mkt cap for all i care
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was discussing
the actual product, not
the company.
mircea_popescu: and in 2011 bitcoin was
the superior
tech solution
to a wet sock.
kakobrekla: also
the problem with apple example: bitcoin had a market cap of only a few grand or w/e in 2011. despite being
the superior
tech solution.
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic so
then you know a lot about romanian, same latin structure and very close use of voice
mircea_popescu: they have
to start feeling bitcoin-y if i have
to personally strangle every single andreas out
there.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I can speak it well enough
to order a beer, buy groceries, and insult
the locals, with a halfway bastardized accent between parisian and quebecois, and I can hear it enough
to get about 70% of radio broadcasts and conversational (polite) parisian french, and about 30% of slangy quebecois..
mircea_popescu: i am not willing
to allow
the "feeling usg-y, feeling fiat-y" package no matter
the cost.
mircea_popescu: which is
the substance of
the disagreement with kako i suspect.
rithm: it was
the original .ru socialist
teris
too
rithm: they were good for
tetris iirc
rithm: we had
those in high school
rithm: never an actual macintosh with
tetris
rithm: i only had
the II/e
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I see. Just curious. I know nothing about Romanian, sadly, but I love
the weird incompatible concepts
that seem
to pervade languages like
tlingit..
mike_c: page2 used
to be really good.
then
the good writers died and it
turned
to crap.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu dont worry,
the next question is did it hurt more
than half.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: It's a discovery
that ESPN still has
this stuff online.
rithm: i know how
to open
terminal on a mac,
though...so
that's one
thing it has going for it
mike_c: BingoBoingo: is
this a new discovery for you? I used
to love it when HST was writing for page 2
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla all i need
to dispel a universal negative is one example :)
kakobrekla: i wouldnt limit it
to ui but ill
take
the answer.
rithm: if
that's remotely
topical
rithm: my ubuntu desktop just
took a
total shit from 12.04
to 14.04 and do-release-upgrade
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic i just made a passing remark :)
the way
the stupid youth ends up apt is
through running into
these scattered about.