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asciilifeform: and yes that also
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the part where physical irons move, get hoisted, endisked, etc
mircea_popescu: but yes, having reich "bank accounts" for imaginary, computer-brained "persons" is certainly part of the overal design.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a good % of isp is sadly not automatable with present tech. but spreadshit is not one of'em
BingoBoingo: Anyways, we already have an mp-wp. Once things are clean and clear and organized, they can land there.
mircea_popescu: the dream includes autonomous robotic isps that set themselves up. so -- yes.
asciilifeform: presently i'm concerned with ripping out the current duct tape, however.
asciilifeform: is however iirc in pizarro log, presently digging for the most recent known incarnation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was ben_vulpes's thing, and doesn't appear to be in the pgpball, was a separate communique, part of ben_vulpes's 'i'm off to the desert' msg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah come the fuck on, he finds out there's a program mid nov ? why, he didn't look in the right place in the pgpball ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it is well advised to get to brass tacks and have a node and everything. and i fully agree that b is not here, nor is this anymore than a purely theoretical discussion.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-11 14:03 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is what i was thinking under header of 'when we gild the lily'
mircea_popescu: btw, re http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-11#1871034 : i've ended up conflating two things i think and the result is confusing. so a) obviously as things stand now, and perfectly defensibly for an indefinite future the way to go is to pipe the result of !!balance into some publishatron ; however b) if and when pizarro decides to capitalize on its abundance of highly qualified personnel to create a "bitcoin isp software package", ☝︎
asciilifeform: it's a fucking disgrace , and i'm party to it, it happened on my watch. i'ma clear my calendar today, BingoBoingo plox to lemme know asap what you need on my end
BingoBoingo: The thought of reading that thing with an eye to killing it... I have tears of relief
BingoBoingo: Anyway's I'll start splitting the customer accounts from the notes and then the notes from the launch codes
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes's proggy was not wwwtronic, so i'm thinking we'll begin by updating it to the current numberz and posting it verbatim (signed by the principals) << There was a program?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i'm thinking BingoBoingo oughta take this in own hands ( BingoBoingo ? ) << I can do this
BingoBoingo: And thank you trinque for the questions that started it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu asciilifeform: Thank you for how to cut and kill the hairball
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asciilifeform: i was thinking moar along the lines of oestrogenic plasticizers etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform these are the environment pollutants.
mircea_popescu: "I’m sorry good girls, but it’s true. But first, allow me to clarify. There are plenty of bad girls who come across as good girls to the untrained eye. These women will play straight arrows out in public, but once they get you behind closed doors, they unleash the beast." << straight up rewrite of the xtian holy book. "they may suck, but maybe deep down there's some nonsuck ?". srsly now ?!
asciilifeform: i'm presently unconvinced that they are created by reading anyffin, tho. presumably created in childhood, by some combo of defective progenitors and envir pollutants, ~then~ go on to 'read' things
mircea_popescu: all the http://trilema.com/2018/must-suck-to-be-one-of-you-average-guy-with-a-great-sense-of-humor-losers-seriously-now/ are produced ~somehow~ you realise. this is the avenue they are produced : men who read cucks' notions and ideas about "how the world should be^H^H^H^H is"
asciilifeform: biologically damaged folx, i.e. 'cucks', do apparently exist, mircea_popescu documented the subj half to death, yes
mircea_popescu: dork in question literally thinks he "is helping make the world a better place" by "helping men" "understand" "women". in the sense of "understand" from "you have to understand" in http://trilema.com/2017/mimi-metallurgico-ferito-nellonore/#selection-91.19-95.2 ; and in the sense of "women" from "what pantsuited hilarities all over boston would like to pretend the fillies are and do". very much something of the blood and bone
asciilifeform: earlier today, racoon said to asciilifeform , 'how about you drop whatever YOUR doing and eat garbage with me' ; asciilifeform answered also 'Nah'
asciilifeform: i dun expect nigerian 419 'prince' actually thinks he ~is~ a prince
asciilifeform: i can't picture anybody actually thinking this crud.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i guarantee you there's a pete dushenski somewhere pen-on-paper-ing them.
mircea_popescu: because it ain't fucking happening, what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: to quote from the all-fet, "shadowscar00 20F Rope Bunny 1h How about you drop whatever it is YOURE doing and read my fuckin bio" "LordMPofTMSR 1h Nah."
asciilifeform: these aint actually words. as in, out of human. they're from shannonizer.
mircea_popescu: but do you remember the 70s, back when people honestly thought "equal partnerships" are possible, and even desirable among the genders, and there can be such a thing as "career women" and so on ? and they will be mated through the process of informing men "how to", as if men fucking give a shit, or ever possibly could ?
asciilifeform: i dunno that any 'think' was involved at any point
mircea_popescu: in other fucken lulz, https://www.elitedaily.com/dating/12-reasons-men-never-pick-good-girl/782903 << remember back when it was 2008 and people honestly thought this sort of crap (thinly veiled mfa, really, but otherwise IAC's "publishing", even has the structure) is "the way to riches on web" ? back when they also thought "(((america))) will be wealthy through the process of doing each other's laundry" and other such inaniti
asciilifeform: ( i have a box here that is waiting for new-cuntoo.. )
mircea_popescu: i was not involved. but the girls love using it.
mircea_popescu: sounds like nightmare case, you know, "take this popular app, make it run on your hand-distilled industrial machinery in this closet here". come back the next day, "all done" i'm like...
asciilifeform: ( tho as i presently understand, his conveyor is at least as packed as mine )
asciilifeform: is why i am hoping to engage him in process.
mircea_popescu: but he installed me a deluge on his cuntoo on my server to spec and a job very well done indeed.
mircea_popescu: a, before i forget -- trinque a++ consultant. i dunno what it is with the man, it's almost as if he earns his living doing this or something.
asciilifeform: and yes this ~is~ the very same disease of which usg is dying. i'd like to fix this before we drown in ocean of stupid.
mircea_popescu: sure, so you have some secrets. nothing wrong with this. but you don't have half a mb of secrets, as you well point out.
asciilifeform: initially 'missile codes' were 80%+ of the pizarro comms, so problem was latent
asciilifeform: my concern is that this somehow snowballed to include half a MB of things that have no biznis being seekrit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there ~is~ small body of non-(realtime)-publishable fact, e.g. who's sending wires, logins, etc
mircea_popescu: yes but holy shit, nobody does it ~here~. why the fuck do you boys go straight back to it the moment you're @treefort ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ours, i think, is moar of a case of 'this is nice rifle, let's take it fishing', pgp offers temptation to 'cipher and then see later', i agree that it is dangerous.
mircea_popescu: and it was neither to my loss nor to his nor to the republic in any sense. you read it and you liked it.
mircea_popescu: perhaps the first diplomatic mission in the 3k year long history of diplomacy that ~didn't even need crypto~.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider for your own edification that the ~whole~ mocky thing was run with 0 crypto the entire length up until his return.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing does contain 'launch codes' presently. it needs some actual disentanglement, after which i expect pgp-turd traffic will be minimal ( just how often we change launch codes ?? ) and 99+% of the thing is to be posted in realtime.
mircea_popescu: imagine what a beauty of foresight and strategic superiority that'd have been, /me proceeds to hang linus on own petard for getting one, "but mp... pizarro also has ?"
mircea_popescu: nearly avoided getting a code of conduct, too!
mircea_popescu: seems pizarro's been growing all kinda pantsuit warts, not mere bureaucracy-ism but the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: yeah, what's with this cult of secrecy ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 : i'd like to make as much of that massive txt turd we've been pgp'ing back and forth, public asap -- it is unseemly imho that simple factoids like ' today BingoBoingo was cured of yellow fewer and took delivery of 5 hdds' are 'classified', wtf
mircea_popescu: you don't get the same benefit from not running a node ; nor from not knowing how to note-to-web.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the contact method's done like that for a very good reason -- to extrude people out of the zekshit.
asciilifeform: and yes it dun have to be irc-powered, necessarily
asciilifeform: but i can see the logic
mircea_popescu: but, having him consult on how to get your own thing going, that makes perfect sense.
asciilifeform: we already have an irc dependency ( it is the only contact method )
mircea_popescu: i don't think that's necessarily the way to go. for one thing, man's doing cuntoo ; for the other thing, you are well advised to run own node and do own thing rather than build an irc dependency into your isp.
asciilifeform: currently trinque is the grandmaster of noad-powered realtime mechanics.
asciilifeform: after we get the simplest working item up & running, i'ma ask trinque if he is interested in helping (in exch for shares, perhaps) us to avoid reinventing wheel, and solder his payment system to our acct system
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha, i can see the logic.
mircea_popescu: (this in no way requires hotwalletisms, you can keep the wallets @home for this just as well - node's watcjhing specified addressen)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is what i was thinking under header of 'when we gild the lily' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: pizarro could get fancy, run a publicly-advertised dedicated node, dumpblocks or w/e to get the txen, push them into mp-wp 100% automatically.
asciilifeform: i'm thinking BingoBoingo oughta take this in own hands ( BingoBoingo ? )
asciilifeform: the 1 open q is whether mod6 will continue as treasurer, presently he is the only 1 with access to the coins + the realtime tx history which powers the spreadshit ☟︎
asciilifeform: only after mine field cleared , will make sense to gild the lily, supposing it even needs gilding.
mircea_popescu: anything that doesn't fail to match the numbers indeed suffices!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will start with exactly this. imho it will suffice.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-10 02:39 mircea_popescu: what do you even scale them with ?
mircea_popescu: like it processes an image (in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-10#1870557 discussion) it can process a report too! there's hooks! ☝︎
mircea_popescu: why can't you just use the normal upload process. give it a txt file and let it work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is 100% troo
asciilifeform: after asciilifeform's conveyor ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 << public ! nao ) is emptied, can then attempt an item which sits on www and takes signed updates via form box, possibly
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with doing any way you're doing, pen, lisp, whjatever. but there's something massively wrong with doing it in such a way as to impedance mismatch you to the breaking point, wth. if pen works well then use pen, but IT THEN HAS TO WORK WELL. do not use if works ~poorly~ instead of well.
asciilifeform: (it produces txt output when run)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes's proggy was not wwwtronic, so i'm thinking we'll begin by updating it to the current numberz and posting it verbatim (signed by the principals)
asciilifeform: soon as BingoBoingo & mod6 wake up, we start to glue the necessary pieces .
mircea_popescu: amusingly, since pizarro's website runs mp-wp, which is php, this can all be done in... an hour ?
asciilifeform: mod6: let's get this off the ground asap
mircea_popescu: don't ask the customer for things you don't have to. customer pays, that's enough. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, issue it to them.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference! for one thing, i as well as anyone can tell the 2nd thing ENDS!!! it's not ongoing for fucking ever, who the fuck heard of this "planning with a halting problem" ?!
mircea_popescu: my plan looks like day 1 : look everywhere (no, that ~everywhere~ isn't a manner of speech) while taking breaks to ejaculate profanity and try and think wtf i did ; day 2 : hang all the servants maids etc in the dungeon and gets the hose again until i am satisfied by the account of each one as to how they've not lost my keys for me ; day 3 : get new keys, install webcams, gps trackers and etc."
asciilifeform: as i understand, doesn't even require crypto, customer supplies ( achtung, customers ! ) arbitrary bitstring, it will be his pseudonym in the document.
mircea_popescu: and in the same vein : if i lose my fucking carkeys, my "prospective plan for carkey finding" doesn't read ANYTHING like "day 1 : look for carkeys ; day 2 : look for carkeys ; day 3 : look for carkeys ; day 4...". ☟︎
mircea_popescu: srsly, this obvious market leadership has to await today morning ?! why the fuck, srsly now, nobody here heard of crypto before ?
mircea_popescu: notice how in this brief span of ten minutes we've done MORE for pizarro than the above mentioned six months produced!
mircea_popescu: double-hash it, customer knows his private hash, knows the salt, can verify his line secretly and no more.
asciilifeform: imho it's the Right Thing.