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xmj: including
the anarchists
moriarty: took
the words right out of my mouth
moriarty: bounce, and as such is impossible
to modify
the
tenets of
moriarty: bounce,
this is not
too dissimilar from constitutions of
today which are viewed with such sacred respect
moriarty: bounce, religion is basically at its most simplest an assortment of
teachings on how
to live life optimally within
the constructs of society at
that point in
time
bounce: equate
them and you'd be equating brazilian slums
to downtown london or something. it's a little confused.
bounce: in comparison and contrast, religion
typically starts with
teaching you about a building constructed aeons ago, likely by confused shepherds high on whatever it was
they were smoking, and requires you
to live by its
tenets. quite possibly at
the peril of your life, if not at least at
the peril of your eternal soul.
moriarty: for every ludicrous example you have
there are more counterexamples :)
moriarty: BingoBoingo, how wealthy did Newton die off in
the end and
the power he amassed politically and economically?
BingoBoingo: How funny are fundamentals, when you consider
the anatomic fundament?
bounce: consider, if you will, philosophy
to ideas as math is
to numbers; you can start with axioms and build on
top of
them. you can admire
the building, you can refine it, you can start over and build something else. nothing requires
to believe in your own bullshit,
though if you'd like, you can at your own peril. probably going
to get you some scorn from other philosophers if you do.
BingoBoingo: How bored as a lens grinder did SPinoza have
to be
to develop his system?
BingoBoingo: moriarty: Well what happen
to poor Cantor in
the end after meditating on Cardinality so long?
moriarty: it's
the classical Humean induction dilemma
moriarty: what does
that
tell you? not a lot
moriarty: BingoBoingo, sure, or
that a bitcoin
trader profited
moriarty: the power of ##econometrics and mathematics leads you
to such mind-clarifying conclusions :) never underestimate
the power of knowledge
to distill
the world with such ease
moriarty: think axiom of choice, or Zorn's lemma being equivalent over
the ZF set
theory as such attempts and
the findings prove as much
moriarty: the second part of Godel's exposition states
that under proper conditions, a strong formal system cannot prove its consistency
moriarty: and
these are a result from a non-isomorphic model as proven by Lowenheim-Skolem in first order logic
moriarty: the first incompleteness
theorem states
that under
the proper conditions,
there are statements
that are
true but not provable
moriarty: tell me in a one-liner what you
think
the first incompleteness
theorem is espousing
BingoBoingo: I don't know what confusion of ideas can lead
to
this conversation.
moriarty: bounce, are you familiar with Godel's incompleteness
theorem?
bounce: then philosophy is dogma
to you, innit
bounce: you really see no difference in
that?
moriarty: bounce, well it's no different
then saying, IFF God
tells me so
THEN it follows
that...
bounce: building on axioms goes like "IFF
these are
true
THEN it follows
that...", bit of a difference from "these
things ARE
TRUE regardless of what reality says BECAUSE GOD
TOLD ME SO"
moriarty: bounce,
then you cannot build any system of belief without it
bounce: nothing requires you
to believe
the axioms.
moriarty: BingoBoingo, what do you
think all
the axioms require in a philosophical model if not faith?
BingoBoingo: moriarty: Religion generally requires Spz. additional dependencies
that philosophy per it self doesn't
bounce: for one because religion
tends
to contain a lot of "shut up and do what I say"
moriarty: if your constitution is fucked,
then you're better off emigrating
bounce: there's a bunch busily proving you wrong
there
moriarty: my viewpoint is people's elections of leadership is missing
the point
moriarty: philosophy underpins constitutions, and if you set up your nation proper,
then you will get a
thriving economic powerhouse
moriarty: bounce,
that's why some countries are superior
to others
moriarty: bounce, ultimately
the superior philosophy prevails
xmj: you can actually
track
that
throgh earlier, higher, GDP growth.
xmj: bounce: protestantism lead
to betterment mostly via increasing
the literacy rate
moriarty: xmj,
the model of self-reliance is a good model
to have, it dispels away with all
the illnesses and perversions
that comes with a more fatalistic view of society,
think conspiracy
theorists, suicide bombers, basically people who perceive
their own destinies are unchangeable and
thus resort
to such desperate measures or justification of reality in order
to make life more livable
bounce: curious how some religions cause people
to better
themselves and others
to mostly kill everybody else
moriarty: xmj, sure i'm aware of how calvinism leads
to capitalism in response
to some hindering medieval positions of how we cannot contribute
to our own betterment
fluffypony: Jusr not paying much attention
to
the convo
assbot: The Protestant Ethic and
the Spirit of Capitalism - Wikipedia,
the free encyclopedia
moriarty: bounce,
the perception
that comes with what constitutes a dumb girl and an intellectual girl is more deceptive
than first sight
moriarty: bounce, exactly :) well, i am alluding
to
the
typical profiling of dumb vs non-dumb girls
moriarty: with regards
to paving
the way for making usury and profit-taking more acceptable socially
bounce: whereas your definition inasmuch as it is one also includes girls
that have no intelligence whatsoever, of any kind.
those exist
too, you know.
moriarty: xmj, well if calvinism is attributable as a predecessor
to capitalism
then i don't see what's so bad about it
bounce: think your definition of "not dumb" is a bit
too narrow.
there's such a
thing as kinds of intelligence (we know
this inasmuch as we know what intelligence is anyway, which we don't, not really), and what you're rooting for is "social intelligence", something girls
tend
to be better with
than boys
moriarty: and academic mastery is
trivial at
this point :) so she need not flaunt it because well, flaunting your intellectual superiority is a surefire way
to arouse envy and be at odds with having social grace
moriarty: sure, on outward appearance she appears dumb because she likes all
the conventional
things
that a popular girl likes :) hair straighteners, mixers, proms, but i value such a girl who can master social situations and get people
to do what she wants implicitly
moriarty: and a girl who is confident in her intelligence need not always be so nerdy about it, i.e. she can act like a normal human being without
telling me about
the intricacies of quantum field
theory and
the fundamental
tradeoffs between continuous/discretisation of spacetime continuum binded
together by
the graviton or loop quantum gravity
bounce: "dumb" isn't
the right word for
that, not even close.
moriarty: i.e. someone who explicitly shows off her intellectual prowess, and while
that's welcome, it is
the more subtle girl who exerts her intelligence socially
that is probably someone i admire more, moreover because social mastery is something more elusive
than academic
moriarty: i
think
that's what is meant when someone aspires for an intellectual girl
moriarty: bounce, well,
the effects are visible without having
to explicitly state one's own brilliance
xmj: 10:42:57 <+moriarty> it's all about how high you climb in society in
terms of status, power and fortune
bounce: same with
trophy wives, for
that matter
bounce: that's no models for you
then
moriarty: lol dumb is someone in
the words of Deng Xiaoping, cherish obscurity, hide brilliance
bounce: girls /might/ learn
to read
there, but
that's it. no education, instant knowledge how society functions.
there you go.
moriarty: it's arbitrary
to someone who does not get
the nuances of popularity, status and how society functions
bounce: sure, invent arbitrary differences
to support your "argument"
moriarty: bounce, heh
there's a difference between being dumb, and being dumb
bounce: why haven't you moved
to some islamic country yet?
moriarty: bounce,
the smart women are
the ones who have
trouble adapting
to society
moriarty: bounce, i like dumb women because
they know how society functions
moriarty: :) and with
that comes
the implicit requirements for looks, intellect and social grace
bounce: some
think dumb women are easier
to handle and
therefore a surer way
to success
moriarty: it's all about how high you climb in society in
terms of status, power and fortune
moriarty: defining your own success metrics means nothing in
the face of being a
top-ranked hustler in society
bounce: some
think a few kids but a giant nest egg would serve
them better
xmj: bounce:
tru dat. certain people consider 5+ children as success
bounce: IOW, what
they want out of life. definitions of "success" differ markedly across various people.
moriarty: xmj, yeah you can promise me
the moon, doesn't mean jack
moriarty: xmj, seems i have
to dumb everything down for you
moriarty: xmj, promise is not
the same as
track record
moriarty: bounce, evolution has a pretty standardised
template on
that
xmj: moriarty: or you're showing promise
to be rich on your own
bounce: that depends entirely on what
they
themselves define
to be efficient
moriarty: if
they're marrying down,
then
they're not being very efficient
xmj: fluffypony: screened long enough,
then?
moriarty: marrying rich is indicative
that your spouse-to-be is not as bright as you claim you'd be attracted by
xmj: marrying rich is
the other alternative..
xmj: moriarty: once you factor in genetics, you obviously want
the unicorn.
moriarty: like
that ever makes a difference when you're busy banging
the broad
moriarty: lol
that's
the quintessential nerd's dream
xmj: My plan is
to become rich and marry a non-stupid model. :)
moriarty: BingoBoingo, if you're ugly or keep offending people,
then chances are you won't last very long on
that
throne
xmj: BingoBoingo: recently I read a paper on how English peers in
the 14th
through 16th century mated.
moriarty: so why am i wasting my breath on
the uninitiated?