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asciilifeform: as for herr lenat himself - looks like he's finally settled into island fortress, or the like: http://www.informatik.uni-trier.de/~ley/pers/hd/l/Lenat:Douglas_B=
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: neato. now one of these days i actually write the turdifesto to go with these.
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mircea_popescu: well sure. lots that guy stil needs to read.
bounce: oh I don't mind them going the way of the dodo. the thing was rather moriarty was rationalising their existence as "best possible (evar)", which I disagreed with
mircea_popescu: and if the system is uprooted, you really think something like its coiffure fashions a la mastercard would somehow survive ? how.
mircea_popescu: but that can't work in the current system.
bounce: at the end of the complaint would be something much akin to your "bring back pecunia non olet" argument
bounce: uhm. I think you misread the context of the comment then.
mircea_popescu: the carnot cycle is rigging the system of thermodynamics
mircea_popescu: airlift is achieved through "rigging the system" of dynamic equilibrium
mircea_popescu: rigging the system is pretty much the only strategy. give an example of something else at work.
bounce: hmno, I don't think rigging the system is a good long-term strategy. it shouldn't be necessary, and if you think it is, you're venturing into empire territory.
mircea_popescu: but that doesn't make them anything other than styles.
mircea_popescu: this is for sure. they're a part of it, like the hair styles of the late empire are part of the late empire.
mircea_popescu: bounce well, they won't go anywhere for as long as the system that spawned them lasts.
mircea_popescu: but hey, props for trolling bounce into a frenzy, i never saw him talk this much b4
bounce: the card racket's profits do mean it's not going to be replaced. also the convenient fobbing off of risks to everyone else. (chargebacks to the merchants, privacy problems to the "consumer")
mircea_popescu: dude reading this moriarty fellow interact with xmj is like watching a drunk clown trying to ride a cow with k-j, except the clown is really a cow in clown costume and the cow really a clown in cow costume and again adn again.
mircea_popescu: bounce: but the takeaway ought to be that you (ie, those in power) are rigging the system then blaming the victims for having let the system end up being rigged against them. <<< this is exactly right. how else would anything work ?
bounce: so, a people of scolds, then
mircea_popescu: women being the border.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: we could start with his idea of 'young and old men ought to live in separate countries.' << they do, mostly.
pete_dushenski: it was a rather critical tongue
pete_dushenski: why? because there weren't many things
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yiddish is full of adjectives that describe people, far more than of those that describe things
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol bring on the wisdom of the ages!
mircea_popescu: it's quite amusing, and will put the entire "secret cabal" thing into such perspective...
pete_dushenski wonders why his mind so readily leans towards old testament references…
mircea_popescu: decimation: I don't get the jews. why do they care about jews? They are just a small subset of europeans among the unwashed masses of europeans <<< you should learn yidish to see the things some jews think about some other jews.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: a professional scammer not scamming usg also, would be like a pro mechanic who won't fix own car << these words.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the turdware spreadeth across the land
mircea_popescu: decimation: apparently sabu of anonymous was living in a usg welfare apartment << the great "we infiltrated them for once" success story ? myeahg.
mircea_popescu: you probably want to be sovereign on your own [inasmuch as you bought them] chips
mircea_popescu: it means exactly what signatures ever meant : nvidia wants to be sovereign on its own [inasmuch as it produces them] chips
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform: is this buono or male? <<< suppose your roommate goes "certain aspects of the appartment are only available with my permission".
assbot: [Phoronix] NVIDIA Alerts Nouveau: They're Starting To Sign/Validate GPU Firmware Images
asciilifeform: 'certain aspects of the NVIDIA graphics processor chip will only be available to... ...firmware images that have been signed by NVIDIA.'
kakobrekla: i also got the insides, but thats the point.
ben_vulpes: hm, probably want to look at bending moments and beam constraints too.
ben_vulpes: that* the things
ben_vulpes: it's pathetic the things can't even open a beer.
asciilifeform: 'doctor, it hurts when i do that.' - 'don't do that.'
asciilifeform: how many popular, costly portable objects would pass this test?
ben_vulpes: chetty: looks like an actual bend test, with fixtures and all
asciilifeform: http://extropians.weidai.com/extropians.4Q99/3352.html << guess: the bugger went there, destroyed it.
assbot: One (M8) comes last, Note 3 first in Consumer Reports bend test
asciilifeform: of choosing to abandon all own research & clone u.s. hardware (to run u.s. warez eternally)
asciilifeform: this mirrors the (almost-contemporary!) soviet mistake
asciilifeform: but there is no phase space transition from cuban scrapyard cars to mazerati.
asciilifeform: forced, because it (or something entirely like it) is the only way to build a software ecosystem on scrapyard hardware.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree exactly '180 degrees' about rms. he in fact did do a 'gotta' species of forced mistake. specifically, chose to accept eternal unix-clone retardation as gospel, because no alternative (in his mind, at the time)
asciilifeform: (it is virtually impossible to touch with finger and make less than full circle on readout)
asciilifeform: http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/attachments/f45/34689d1306308192-dial-test-indicator-repair-procedure-1.jpg << dial test gauge. needle moves horizontally.
asciilifeform: punkman: http://www.toolstop.co.uk/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/51831_PDG01I.jpg << test gauge. needle moves vertically.
punkman: asciilifeform: what's the difference of the non-test variety?
asciilifeform (not directly related) answered door and tool delivery of a nice japanese test dial, http://imgur.com/cvaJnWo << with hidden pin-up.
mircea_popescu: problem of mod\ernity is everyone trying to meta the shit out of their lif
chetty: was it? from his point of view, at the time? I have trouble trying to imagine some of the early stabs at tech
mircea_popescu: forget the meta game
mircea_popescu: also, focus on the simple items.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform industry as thje human activity.
asciilifeform: (despite this, he became the poster child of 'inventor starves, sponsor wins')
asciilifeform: chetty: farnsworth didn't need a decade of free time. raster scan, fortunately, was a fairly simple item.
chetty: You think farnsworth had a clue what TV would become? or cared?
asciilifeform: except the item in question cannot be produced by industry. it's a craftsmanship item.
mircea_popescu: no, because it is always going to be the same : industry.
asciilifeform: also matters what kind of process is necessary to bring the item.
mircea_popescu: but let's stick to history. car or parabolic mirror to put ships on fire
asciilifeform: mass appeal - marketable. requires 500-year time horizon - less so.
mircea_popescu: obviously i can appreciate your position : for all the banality of sex, it's still a big deal to the virgin.
asciilifeform: the type of item.
mircea_popescu: the only relevant change there is that the car is history and the moon lander is not.
mircea_popescu: you figure it's specifically the item in question ?
mircea_popescu: right, because that's what ford did o.o
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ahahaha, yeah, that'll buy me a silicon fab and decade of paid free time, sure.
mircea_popescu: they'll go on to reddit to discuss how X Y and Z are betting websites for as long as they can still find coins in mom's cushions to pay for the pizza.
mircea_popescu: forget "hearts and minds", that's the telltale preoccupation of a dying empire. concern yourself with the ground under their very feet and let them figure it out.
asciilifeform: ford was able to capitalize, somehow, because ultimately any idiot can appreciate a car.
mircea_popescu: to tell me that range is included in the item is nonsense of the first degree.
mircea_popescu: decimation: it is because of the dynamic range allowed in a single blob <<< this is nonsense. the "range" is not intrinsic to the blob. the blob will only hold as much as it physicall can. what its concents mean to you, is entirely up to you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if you had a truly clean break with the age of turdware - there would be a market for about six machines. << this is diletante business analysis. you really only need one, provided it works. look into the early history of ford cars.
mircea_popescu: this is a major cause of the foss taking so very long to be killed.
mircea_popescu: he just woke up to the concept of "never do something stupid, no matter how much you "gotta" "
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell, rms was defeated in his original life. and ended up performing almost the equivalent of a seppuku - had to retool and rescue some very small thing that could be salvaged, and turned it into another life.
mircea_popescu: but unlike the other fucktards involved, he didn't go away into the night, and his efforts are at the root of why we even pose a problem to the usg today in the first place.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that rms will not speak of lisp to this day. the demise of lmi cut him off from the genuine machines (there was no possibility of baking one by his lonesome, or with his band of ragged dervishes, any more than they could launch a mars mission) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and if your project is long term... well there you go.
mircea_popescu: in general, not doing something stupid "you got to do" is better on the long term than doing it.
mircea_popescu: rms's tortured existence is proof as to their uneven strength : neglecting the "gotta" works better than baking it in.
mircea_popescu: these aren't the same strength.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was easy to foresee. but what alternative, when you gotta have the wealthy prince?
asciilifeform: though, i've been told that even actual enlistment is now open to folks of fairly advanced age and shoddy physical condition, with the proviso that you will 'fly a desk'
mircea_popescu: seriously, lisp tripped on banana peel ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: then squadron with stone megacock can feel victorious, vindicated. << methinks this view is a little too convenient.
asciilifeform: chetty: i was speaking more generally of employment with usg rather than proper soldiering as such
chetty: well when did that start? or do you mean when it got to be public and all
mircea_popescu: chetty was this before or after they started paying terrorists for the safe return of deserters ?
asciilifeform: this applies not only to the killing arts, but even something like - chemistry.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually two. the mob is still there.