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ben_vulpes: not
that you get
the energy back from putting
them up high...
mircea_popescu: costs you just as much
to put
them
there as anywhere else
mircea_popescu: see, when i
think great safety rule i
think
things like "don't place your heaviest pans highest in your kitchen"
Adlai: but it would probably be ignored since "ALWAYS WEAR
THEM" is much easier
to enforce for stupid supervisors
Adlai: a better safety rule would only require
them during
the actually dangerous operations
Adlai: of course, people hate wearing
these gloves
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform>
they can move
to usa and massage machines, yes. << bashed
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> well
there's always a cab in ny...
mircea_popescu: anyway, people doing fine movements generally don't want
to wear gloves because bulky and unwieldy
Adlai: some of
these fuckers are over 50 years old
Adlai: you pull it out, wipe it clean, put it back in, pull it out again, find a light source, see
that
the oil smeared all over while you were carrying it, wipe it off, etc
mircea_popescu: better safety rule... put some damned electronics on
the engine block
Adlai: yes, m113 engine has
those
mircea_popescu: they don't still use
the retractable
thinger do
they ?
Adlai: there's even one oil check
that's supposed
to be done while
the engine is running although nobody ever did
that
Adlai: i've never seen anybody do
that level of work on a hot engine, usually it's just
things like oil checking
mircea_popescu: isn't it actually bad for
the parts
to work on
them while
too hot
to
touch ?
Adlai: there shouldn't be, but it can get hot enough
to burn your hands, and stays
that hot for longer
than
the average soldier would expect
Adlai: but you're also supposed
to wear
them for pretty much everything else you do, and you only get called out on not wearing
them when higher-ups can actually see your hands, ie, not when it's actually important
to wear
them
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Adlai: causing soldiers who don't understand
the background behind any of it
to believe all
the rules are uniformly irrelevant
Adlai: so you get lots of great rules, but only
the most
tedious and irrelevant ones are actually enforced
Adlai: the hilarious
thing is how enforcement of a safety regulation is inversely proportional
to how likely it is
to be necessary for
the current situation
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Adlai: mircea_popescu: waitwaitwait women aren't full of shit and don't want
to be in control all
the
time?
Adlai: one
thing i did like about
the army is
that
the core
text on safety and risk assesment is
titled "Learning from Others' Mistakes"
ben_vulpes: some must learn by pissing on
the fence
themselves, and we call
them...
Adlai: the best kinds of misunderstandings are
the ones not yet present in
the logs
ben_vulpes: some people must learn by watching and we call
them X; some people learn by reading and we call
them Y...
Adlai: although i guess internet arguments are more fun when people don't even know how vastly
their assumptions and definitions are outta wack
Adlai: mircea_popescu: kids can't parent. it
takes adults. «
tell
that
to eleven-child families in
the west bank where
the oldest daughters are effectively mothers
to
the others
ben_vulpes: "beatings, frequently", is probably
the best advice i've ever gotten.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i
think a vanishingly small minority of parents actually adds value
through parenting. <<
the "how
to parent well" resources are well drowned in noise
mircea_popescu: you familiar with
the platonic concept of "the great lie" ?
decimation: but what about 'freedom of speech' 'marketplace of ideas' and all
that other bullshit
mircea_popescu: decimation in public ? nobody would, either. except for me, i keep
talking about all sorts of
things
that shouldn't be in public, much
to everyone's shhock and horror.
Adlai: this is assuming
that it should have been $xxxxxxxxx instead of $0 in
the first place
decimation: mircea_popescu:
that's obviously
the right answer, but note how absolutely no one with anywhere near actual power has even floated
that idea
mircea_popescu: so you know... we're not going
to do it. well
then... why are you here ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 you probably realise
the only correct solution
there was
to make iraq 51st state
mats_cd03: some people, like me, are of
the opinion
that enough money wasn't spent
to quell
the iraqi and afghan insurgencies
Adlai: war is peace and all
that
mircea_popescu: the japanese had a bunch of orgasms and were in
that female wax phase.
Adlai: well and also some wars aren't meant
to be over in a week,
that doesn't pull a heavy budget
mircea_popescu: the germans were
thrilled
to be relieved from
the russians.
mats_cd03: they're plenty good at it, just not where you
think
they'd be good at it.
decimation: they used
to be, what about
the pacification of germany and japan?
mats_cd03: school of americas, what have you. politicians are now executing military policy,
thats all.
mircea_popescu: yeah mats_cd03 has it, look how nicely
the russians did everywhere since
the 90s.
Adlai: doesn't mean
they're any good at it, yet
decimation: modern usg officer is
told
to pacify locals without using any
tools
that would actually be effective
Adlai: national militaries are still
trying
to wrap
their head around how
to fight an enemy
that isn't another large military
mircea_popescu: i don't
think
they have YET had any sort of objective.
mircea_popescu: if you review
the us record, from korea
to
the latest iraq...
mircea_popescu: well perhaps not running
the military like it were an idiot reservation bound for
the special olympics might help.
Adlai: a large problem for militaries in generalized anglophonia is keeping
the military career attractive
to local
talent
mircea_popescu: i dunno what it is,
the russians have
the secret
to
this.
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, but
they don't really manage
to attract
that much
talent somehow.
Adlai was
top intelligence and zero officer applicability
decimation: usg
tests its officers for intelligence
Adlai: there's a separate metric for a soldier's applicability
to being an officer
mircea_popescu: i'd have you court martialed if you counted by
three. and i would notice.
mircea_popescu: Adlai apparently
testing for intelligence would help
this army
Adlai: cheating = you pair up and count for eachother.
the soldier counting is supposed
to count out loud, but when
there are
twenty people counting out loud and one or
two officers supervising, you can count by
twos,
threes, or
tens, and
they don't notice
Adlai: the only army-wide
test which supposedly measures strength
that i'm aware of involves pushups and situps, and i can count on one hand
the number of
times i saw it administered without
the vast majority of people cheating
decimation: yeah, dr. obvious probably co-wrote
that study
mircea_popescu: iqs are not linear, and im not even sure
they're scalars at all.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu:
the paper isn't arguring "better" simply
that iq holds for races across environments.
decimation: " Current assessments measuring muscular endurance (push-ups and sit-ups), although providing some relationship
to firefighting
tasks,22–24 do not measure a soldier's ability
to lift and carry equipment with
the ecological validity of a
task-specific assessment. An appropriate assessment would involve lifting and carrying an item in each hand (replicating
the hose carry upstairs)."
Adlai: physical strength is only evaluated in entrance exams
to various units which require it, and
these usually
test stamina more
than raw strength
Adlai: this "quality group" metric is supposed
to indicate intelligence
BingoBoingo: <Adlai>
that only
tests "intelligence" as it relates
to
the
types of "math" in your
test << Well in
the later rounds it
test how well a brain functions when dampened
Adlai: everybody goes
through
the
tests, most people know
their results, but
the actual method of calculating
the results is
top sekrit
Adlai: when you enlist,
they measure "quality" (literal
translation) using secret methods