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BingoBoingo told a simple folk this Wednesday "If all you take you Argentina is your plasic card you're going to get your asshole resized." Today, audible incoming "Why are the Argentine ATMs charging me 10 USD to take out pesos"...
mircea_popescu: "oh, but mp, we didn't know". OF COURSE you fucking didn't know. what you DID know, however, today as in 2017 as in 2015 as for a while, is that the zone's the zone. what the fuck's gonna happen in there ?
mircea_popescu: the matter SIMPLY CAN NOT BE IGNORED : if back in 2017, ie the very month that article came out, joe bloe took out the 20-50k in debt he could and liquidated the 20-50k in assets that he could, converting it to bitcoin at a monthly average $1k, he'd be looking now at either 400k to 1mn in cold hard cash, or else something like 1-1.5mn worth of liquidated assets, if he sold during the peak. (and not AT the peak, for 1.76mn
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-07 01:48:32 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934227 << i propose we give it a rest for nao, and upgrade / improve later if need to on basis of experience.
asciilifeform: iirc phf suggested a fix, but i have not tested yet
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, any reason bot reads a treminating 0001 char on that line ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:34:11 trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934257 << there's a lot of cvasi-effort/idle pullulation in the wanna-be cloud sharply directed at "being mp on the cheap". he figures he'll be cool if he says that, which is why he does.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 21:23:35 trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934227 << i propose we give it a rest for nao, and upgrade / improve later if need to on basis of experience.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 15:17:27 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home
mircea_popescu: (though i suppose it's a wonderment whether anyone thought eg http://trilema.com/2018/lord-mp-of-tmsr-and-the-plebeian-princess-club/ similarily depicts "camera shy hanbot". in duplicate -- one's been tanning for a half year.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-29 09:57:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931848 << this character mentioned 4 or 5 times recently... but does it have a name ? ( i admit, when 1st saw picture, assumed it was a young photo-shy hanbot )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-29#1931863 << keks, so what, i been talking of harems &c for a decade+, yet peeps been just assuming i'm fantasizing or something ?
mircea_popescu: the traditional view, driven by high medieval practice, is to regard work~load~ as the dissuasive factor, some guy who might think himself a shoemaker may re-consider if confronted with a pile of shoe leather waiting to be shoed stretching twelve acres and reaching into the skies.
mircea_popescu: as to A, let it be clearly stated for reviweable record, and let anyone who manages to take his head out of his own ass verify or challenge this plain statement as best he can :
mircea_popescu: this, then, is also why A. the republic is so mingbogglingly successful ; and also B. why so limited in scope.
mircea_popescu: historical phenomenology suddenly starts making a lot more sense -- because yes, history is, was and will forever fucking remain the story of great men ; and what great men do with their lives and consequently the world they own and everyone else just inhabits... well, that's a story of P an
mircea_popescu: it is, obviously, entirely false to imagine that pP is the only factor in P ; mP probably started overwhelming it in importance with the modern age, driving the important point here : this theory ~can actually be used as a timeline-substitute~, replace time with P-at-that-time.
snsabot: Logged on 2016-11-07 11:53:31 mircea_popescu: recall the "where are the rembrandts then" argument ? the us fails to produce a philosopher worth the mention every other decade ; athens managed that much on 1/1000th the population.
mircea_popescu: the theory says, that for any context there exists in all cases a P-threshold epsilon, such that if P>e W=0 whereas if P<e, W=q, where q is a quantified amount of productivity (because yes, W is quantified, like low-scale energies).
mircea_popescu: call that P. meanwhile output, or productivity, is expressed as a different scalar, call it W.
mircea_popescu: work conditions (understood as available toolset, and available paradigm, driving respectively a physical (ie, time-cost, perceived as pain) and mental (also perceived as pain) cost sum to a scalar describing the "painfulness" of the workplace.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-05#1933961 << it occurs to me this passed unformalized, and it'd be a pity. so, the mp theory of work-conditions-and-productivity-for-intellectuals :
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934071 << about to head to bed, but tomorrow morning I'm gonna do some deep log spelunking and investigating and report findings in a blog post.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-02-02 11:23:06 asciilifeform: the 'postel's law' nonsense, of silently forgiving people who send liquishit at the dusty disused corners of the protocol, enabling there to even ~be~ such a thing as dusty corners in a protocol!, MUST die.
trinque: I'm gonna go chase a girl around the house a bit, bbl
asciilifeform: it is interesting, irc protocol asks that pingism follow form 'PING foo' 'PONG foo' . but their foo seems to be a constant.
trinque: heh, this place needs a cartoonist so bad
asciilifeform: seems like erry summer asciilifeform does a jet-powered flight into brick wall. last time it was the cr50 thing.
asciilifeform: 1 of the reasons why iron is such a bitch is that ~very~ small differences in logical design can give gigantic diff in performance.
trinque: maybe at that point a couple of us can muster a couple 100k to see it baked
asciilifeform: a gb nic can theoretically swallow 2**18 512b packets / sec .
trinque: call that a positive, less risk of prototype standing up and running away from your desk
asciilifeform: trinque: it would indeed 'cut world', in the sense that gives you a gossiptronic net fully layered over the traditional one. and with dozen+ entrance boxen, suddenly impossible to effectively ddos anything on the inner (i.e. what comes out of the 2nd plug) world.
trinque: that thing has a market. everyone knows tls is a lie.
asciilifeform: i proposed it in '16 as a 'gateway' into gossipnet. ( eats packets at line rate, emits from 2nd nic hole the ones that were found edible. )
trinque: so if you'll permit a dunce, imagine a device with a trusted and untrusted interface.
asciilifeform: aha. tho presently i doubt that it's physically possible to make a 4096x4096b multiplier converge in <1ns
asciilifeform: trinque: so, actual honest iron ? 1-2mil transistors. i.e. coupla 100k $ for 1st tray, and afterwards a few cents ea. if baked in qty. as you might expect.
trinque: i.e. inside I have w/e, naked women, dancing bears, there's a membrane at the edge of my lair run by the ??? in question
asciilifeform: ( http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934333 is obv. exaggeration, if anyone doesn't grasp. but yer still talking about a 1ms op where normally x86 gives 1ns )
trinque: can an item be built that functions at a network boundary quickly
asciilifeform: rly you'd want to burn e.g. 4096bits when looping over a 1byte variable ?
trinque: what's next there? how far is it from being bolted to a network socket of some kind?
asciilifeform: on e.g. x86, a forth complete enuff that you could comfortably live the rest of your life in it, weighs about 1kB.
asciilifeform: 'peh' is -- arguably -- a (very fascist) forth .
asciilifeform: forth also has the afaik unique attribute where standing up a forth on bare iron is ~weekend's work for an adept
trinque: the republic can do one of two things. it can eat a language including interpreter/compiler, or it can take the "tear-arms-off-and-beat-them-with" approach.
asciilifeform: trinque: imho the moar printolade flowed 'through' $proggy, tends to be the moar of a turd it is
asciilifeform: a
trinque: iirc at one point also a block explorer was contemplated that'd shit static html
asciilifeform: right. was explaining why i did not see it as a workable cut when wrote mine.
trinque: if no-js is a rip along one perforation, no dynamic html is another
trinque: if running out of disk accumulating text is a concern, could keep last n
asciilifeform: but for anyffin moar complicated (e.g. having a search box)
trinque: on wot.deedbot.org I don't. it's a cut-of-the-knot approach
trinque: on the subj of CL webtrons, the approach I've used is to have the CL proggie write static html (from another place, even) to a toilet static www server.
trinque: obviously a circumstance I'd like to see remedied.
trinque: I was just thinking of doing a few pasters, in light of the current paster not looking so good.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 01:18:37 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.
trinque will be back in a sec after eating logs
trinque: eh "this morning's experiments" don't appear to be on a blog or otherwise documented
asciilifeform: trinque: indeed a shame that he left. esthlos was a+++ fella while alive.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entirely unrelated bizarre : i obtained from a junk seller, what appears to be an orcish serial port card made at РФЯЦ – ВНИИТФ . the famous fortified city. at some pt will make photo-reportage re internals. oughta be interesting from 'how did folx who actually Gave A Shit build their irons?' archaeological pov.
trinque: in other CLisms, esthlos' vtron works great. it's a shame he left.
trinque: but you know, learning is a thing. at any rate, I'm probably going to muntz a tad further and vpatch this weekend.
asciilifeform: trinque: i recall sewing 'pehbot' from it, found it a little overengineered (e.g. oopized)
trinque: I was by no means a lisp expert when I wrote the item, so in re: languages thread, I don't think it should reflect on CL
diana_coman: spyked: there is a newer version of keccak that works on octet-sized input but iirc it's not yet in vdiff, might help to get it in anyway (and then see if it still fails)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 12:55:45 diana_coman: spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space?
spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934123 <-- huh, whaddaya know, that was the problem! ty, diana_coman! unfortunately baking a patch isn't as simple as "vdiff a b", because sbcl comes with binaries included. :| will get to this when I'm back home
BingoBoingo: There's also been a lot of butthurt from Argentines that the banks in Uruguay don't want to deal with them.
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in capital controls on the other side of the river https://imgur.com/a/m0IX6HM ;tldr they have to go to the bank location with forms before incoming SWIFT wires post to their accounts
asciilifeform: btw in re 'countries where can't buy test button for geiger' -- is ridiculously impotent ban; all you gotta do is to (carefully!) collect dust from crt monitor screen for coupla wks, and mix into a coupla grams of epoxy. po-210, 214, 218 . (exercise for reader : how did it get there?)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-07 16:36:15 asciilifeform: ( the 1 annoying aspect of lysotronic fg as currently drawn, is that it gets the +45v bias voltage for the detector, from batteries, as asciilifeform does not know of a 'rng safe' method to generate it from +5 without oscillators )
asciilifeform: pretty interestingly, imho, no such application is discussed anywhere on the public net. almost as if no one ever gave half a shit .
BingoBoingo: And the archive link loaded https://archive.is/t5IiJ "Mientras marchaban, hicieron pintadas y rompieron vidrios. Entre los edificios pintados se encuentra el de la Dirección Nacional de Medio Ambiente (Dinama). En determinado momento de la manifestación, vieron a un policía que estaba en una garita cumpliendo tareas de 222 y lo golpearon. Cinco patrulleros llegaron hasta el lugar y la policía detuvo a cinco personas, pero una
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> some of the nearby folx, have actual cellars, and these have pumps going at all times, sorta like bilge pump in ship. they gurgle out to the street periodically. << This is the midwestern standard. On a long enough timeline every structure with a basement needs one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these here swamp dwellings are built sorta like those huts in vietnam. there's a concrete plinth, and ~1m columns, on these -- the floor.
BingoBoingo: So when there was a fad like dormers to increase upstairs space in the mid 20th century, structure be damned 40 year old stick structure gets dormers.
asciilifeform: hm i vaguely recall a thread where lobbes , i think, exclaimed 'i just put my foot through the fucking floor'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Termites and age. There is a certain point arount the 1910s where in the Midwest they simply stopped demolishing and kept adding.
asciilifeform: is 'off plumb' a midwest thing, or wat
BingoBoingo: I dunno that propper cabinetry can be a mass product rather than build to suit
BingoBoingo: There used to be a place in my hometown that specialized in bespoke woodwork. Pipe organs, aircraft, and cabinetry. Now: https://archive.is/flYlo "Celebrate your special event in style when you choose Olde Wicks Factory Special Event Center in Highland, IL. Our venues are located in a 100-year-old building, formerly the Pipe Organ Company, and feature stunning stained glass, exposed brick, chandeliers, and beautiful outdoor space. With
mircea_popescu: sure, had a whole room decked in that
asciilifeform: btw another things asciilifeform's ancestors had in sovok that asciilifeform can't buy for any amt of money in gringolandia -- the famous 'finnish wall'(tm) -- y'know (or maybe not know?) this thing, cabinets, glass-doored bookshelves, that fill a wall
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why would finns, whose ~sole export is timber, build a paper mill in BingoBoingostan?!
diana_coman: spyked: the "broken" vdiff is possibly the issue with "exploding" because of using the initial version of keccak that stores each bit on a full octet-space?
asciilifeform: a.
BingoBoingo: 1. Yesterday the cops put themselves in front of a farmers march. The folks with tractors and horses prevailed without anything notable byeond the confrontation.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lemme guess, they ticketed a motoroller
asciilifeform cold, as a stone, to 'rock' and the other digestive enzymes of the octopus.
asciilifeform even as a child, was allergic, so prolly last 1 who should be asked. and in fact if could buy a martian radio that somehow tunes, back in space and time, in sovok circa 1984 -- ~would~ .
diana_coman: since I just walloped poor shrysr for misuse of "tragedy", might as well start compiling a "basic vocabulary for younghands graduation@
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 06:37:14 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1934000 << i've yet to see lisp actually do anything useful, so this'd be a quindecennial first.
lobbes: may make that a patch in logotron... eventually!
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-06 01:34:11 lobbes: I think, in general, it makes sense for me to chew through the logotron "todo" list right now. I would eventually like to get a php version of the reader.py written for purposes of comparison.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-06#1933983 - fwiw this sounds like a good plan to me.