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mircea_popescu: no, we're friends with hilbert, and i don't think it's a bad idea, either.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of possibilities are here, provided you don't go into geographical details
ascii_field: can't promise this 'before next tuesday'
ascii_field: (presently, it is a scalar; but doesn't have to be)
mircea_popescu: not that bitcoin doesn't centralize, a little. but this is criminal.
mircea_popescu: i am maybe not the first but definitely not the last to admit when satoshi did the dumb. nevertheless, here he did no such thing. there is no alternative known to literature, and you can't fault a man for not coming up with a novel star.
ascii_field: for so long as the 'lucky strikes' can't nudge too far
mircea_popescu: can't replicate your luck.
mircea_popescu: didja miss the line where i said you can't have a statistical sample of one ?
mircea_popescu: thus, can't really blame it for the situation.
jurov: also there is my doubt of finding 5000 or how many ppl that won't mind pogo trampling upon their connection and likely inviting attacks
mircea_popescu: yes, but you didn't care much for it. usb timer dongle thinger
mircea_popescu: it's not that i don't appreciate your intellectual purity. it's merely that things must be made as correct as possible and no correcter than that.
mircea_popescu: so yes, the rifle regiment wouldn't survive cavalry charge from the side. alrighty then, put them on a hillltop.
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter how old that block is. the block coming after it will be ~10 minutes later.
mircea_popescu: can't be next block. hitler lost.
mircea_popescu: jurov 5 couldn't have been that far off and be accepted from 4.
ascii_field: all it sees is 'block was broadcast, has timestamp t, average it now'
mircea_popescu: this isn't an attack.
mircea_popescu: but the next block it gets wouldn't be more than two hours off.
mircea_popescu: and you don't like having to start it by manual command because myeah.
ascii_field: this doesn't need any magic, it works on trad kernel
ascii_field: with the scheme described, you don't even need an attack
danielpbarron: isn't there supposed to be a way to send commands to the pogo? otherwise how is it useful to me as a "full node" if I can't query it for blocks/transactions and relay new ones I have created for it?
mircea_popescu: i am sorry you can't have candy kalash.
punkman: yeah what if you don't get tenure
punkman: "I have intentionally adjusted my teaching materials as the political winds have shifted." "While I used to pride myself on getting students to question themselves and engage with difficult concepts and texts, I now hesitate. What if this hurts my evaluations and I don't get tenure?"
thestringpuller: i don't understand why I should have to set iptable rules
decimation: I don't get it, why do we need to run the ntp daemon to use ntp?
jurov: i don't see where to find 5000 ppl that would tolerate such bw hog
thestringpuller: so i can stream music from my library. these people don't know what they're talking about.
shinohai: T_T
punkman: asciilifeform: don't even need mitm, dozens of DoS vectors in there
asciilifeform: 'don't be poor'
asciilifeform: don't have known addresses
asciilifeform: jurov: because ~we don't have a workable scheme~ for pogo
punkman: I don't see local time in there
thestringpuller: can't we just use sundials or something
jurov: so, to summarize. 1. time can't come from net because net ==== usg. 2. time can't come from any additional hw cuz cost
thestringpuller: i vote asciilifeform since he doesn't like leaving the house
asciilifeform: we just don't have the option to use any of them.
asciilifeform: we haven't any additional hardware
asciilifeform: but we haven't this option.
asciilifeform: i didn't design the thing
decimation: how does anyeone know they aren't being fed bullshit?
decimation: wouldn't they be rejected if 2 hours away?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190768 << the solution is 'don't be poor.' ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-07-2015#1190906 << if i can't see how it made it, and repeat the process, it is useless to me ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2015 10:50:32; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uh. the one published actually encompasses the first fork. i have other chains (also historical) that aren't wedged, but i had thought yours passed that point ?
punkman: can't find it in the logs :(
mircea_popescu: 't help your .5 btc you just got from coinbase.
kakobrekla: dunno, my txes get confirmed in first block w/o any fees. you people don't know how to curate your outputs.
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2015 02:26:24; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: unless i seriously misunderstand, 50%+ of the hash rate belongs to folks ~who aren't even running bitcoin~ but a toystore version
assbot: Logged on 07-07-2015 00:23:25; asciilifeform: because i won't be running it.
mircea_popescu: wasn't he from crete ?
mircea_popescu: i thought reddit didn't believe in "market forces".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform uh. the one published actually encompasses the first fork. i have other chains (also historical) that aren't wedged, but i had thought yours passed that point ? ☟︎
jurov: they aren't still there only cuz mircea_popescu mediated it
cazalla: capped, can't load shit
mats: can't remember the name of the algo, though
asciilifeform: doesn't hurt to know some maths
mats: i don't care about fuzzing at all, folks have much better tooling than i do, and i have no resources of any kind to aid me in that
asciilifeform: mats: the fungible coolie 0day isn't the only kind there is, you know
mats: otherwise i wouldn't subject myself to it
asciilifeform: decimation: you don't. the notion was that 'too many to hang'
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, we don't have a network where you connect by key instead of by ip
decimation: even hitler can't move the moon's path
decimation: the point about occultations is that you can get tables of when they are supposed to occur for your area. you don't need a fancy telescope, usually cheap bionoculars would suffice for observation
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> mike_c: all the signs point to us trying to solve the utterly wrong problem. << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189757 << and by "diddle" i mean "use", if that wasn't clear. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: punkman: i don't understand the point of your gpgdiddling link
gribble: brendafdez was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 14 weeks, 5 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <brendafdez> mircea_popescu it works now. Anyway the IP I'm on now is one of a public AP, it shouldnt be whitelisted. I'll later give you my home IP, and BingoBoingo has my VPS IP already. I didn't know you were filtering.
assbot: Ad fraud Trojan updates Flash Player so that other malware can't get in | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1HJwxkF )
trinque: I haven't been able to see non-ascii since I put the weechat instance on obsd
decimation: anyway I abandoned irssi because I thought it couldn't handle unicode, but apparently it was my tmux
decimation: I wasn't hitting anything other C-x b
decimation: f2pool admin's explanation is "we got the bad block from antpool, who we don't know how they got because they told us they only follow us"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: unless i seriously misunderstand, 50%+ of the hash rate belongs to folks ~who aren't even running bitcoin~ but a toystore version ☟︎
asciilifeform: to which i say mircea_popescu's sacramental 'don't be poor'
asciilifeform: nottooshitty: read the thread. it doesn't matter where you put it - it can't be believed
asciilifeform: apparently we don't even ~have~ a 'useragent' string in 0.5.x
funkenstein_ can't wait to buy USD by the kilogram
asciilifeform: the dough was found in bank boxes, wouldn't even fit in the vault, was stored all over the place
asciilifeform: because i won't be running it. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i don't see call graph...
asciilifeform: or, in the case of dynamic graphs, may omit some corner case which didn't get hit
asciilifeform: i can't use a graph which contains munged names or misses virtual functions.
asciilifeform: at least ~i~ don't
asciilifeform: the other thing is that we DON'T NEED A DYNAMIC CALLGRAPH FOR ANYTHING !!!!
asciilifeform: decimation: my pogo didn't come with a gimbal telescope; did yours ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Haven't seen people talking blockheight. Really as fragile as the thing is atm fuckers ruined my dreams of blockheight as "canonical" measure of time
decimation: interesting. I didn't see any updates on openbsd saying that the nfs turd was no longer needed
decimation: pete_dushenski: I thought that openbsd didn't support the usb storage driver for edgerouter
punkman: pete_dushenski: "in which Greek citizens refused to accept austerity measures" in case it wasn't clear, the referendum question was "do you like this deal? answer yes or no". and the next deal won't be much different either.
punkman: I don't even want to know how much tax the owner is paying on that
ascii_field: who hasn't seen the rivers (literally) of toxic sludge
trinque: so why can't my node's time just be far-future?
ascii_field: assuming that nuclear war doesn't send us back to cpu mining
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't make any further sense.
ascii_field: why couldn't the difficulty be set based on accumulated work ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1189880 << this isn't possible. ☝︎