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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far usg is keeping these folks intensely interested in clitori butterfly collections and not the least bit in higher mathematics, without apparently breaking a sweat.
mircea_popescu: but the arabs already proved themselves. in fact, we even have sciences and arts at all because the arabs kept them while the west was being all "progressive" the last tim around.
undata: quick! erect the pyramid and he'll find the top
undata: hm, just had the thought that maybe this is exactly how people *find* a good leader
mircea_popescu: if this happened in africa you could murder me on this score, which is why we're not here talking about the numerous much larger rebellions all over subsaharan africa past decades.
mircea_popescu: this has to be supported merely because it hurts nato.
mircea_popescu: it's a new state, AGAINST the current morass.
mircea_popescu: all that matters is that
mircea_popescu: you're begging the question here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) only an ideology can foment revolution ; b) all ideologies are reducible to ideologies. socialism, religion, take your pick. "democracy"
cazalla: undata, is that not a good thing though? spending is accelerated etc
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iran - 'tried shit.' i would need serious evidence of pig flight before believing that fundamentalist clerical revolutions are anything other than usg 'yi yi zhi yi' methods.
mircea_popescu: cazalla> did ya know that reddit doesn't even come close << yes. i knew.
undata: amazing that the US can hold firm to the PNAC through decades
undata: they're already beating the war drum in the media here regarding Syria, Iraq, etc
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: or peron for that matter. recall his 1950s attempts to make fusion work ?
mircea_popescu: they'll try shit with the desperation of stalin trying on shit.
mircea_popescu: once they establish some sort of state, they'll try shit.
chetty: you know MP recent article about press in Romania, big problem here is that Romanians knew from experience how bias the press is, Americans haven't figured it out yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: may as well ask 'where's the better chance, mars or venus? and ant civilization or cockroach civilization'
mircea_popescu: and they don't for political reasons.
mircea_popescu: THIS is m y point exactly. whether they do or don't do better atm is immaterial. they WILL do better, necessarily, because they don't share the same lockdowns
undata: mircea_popescu: right, doesn't war tend to be about brutality, dominance, etc?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take it another way : where do i have a better chance to sell the experiment being tried ? wash dc, london or baghdad ?
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: generally folks who have usefully sharp tools and actually understand microshit guts - aren't talking. because what is to be gained from public talk.
cazalla: mats_cd03, did ya know BingoBoingo's /. posts are responsible for qntra's record traffic day and that reddit doesn't even come close
mircea_popescu: the russians being a fine example. i could readily stroke the same public knowledge to elicit a "I'm sure they're backwards as hell".
undata: I'm also sure I'd be told they fuck babies if it would persuade me to support another war
asciilifeform: aha islamic curriculum. i'm not seeing 'we'll kill adelberger & co. and force al schwartz's equivalence principle violation experiment to be carried out.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what if you were told the same about russians ?
undata: asciilifeform: oh shit, I mean to cut through it, I'm sure they're backwards as hell
asciilifeform: undata: forget for a minute the propaganda. think of the starting material. if you were told that 'perhaps the modern greeks are intellectual giants, but u.s. propaganda obscures this' would you believe? or be justifiably skeptical.
undata googles the owners of al arabiya
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: so, thanks.
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: you know, i suddenly realized today when browsing your /. page that you're the reason why i'm here -- i saw your 'Bitcoin Baron' and OpenBSD headline and decided to pop in to see what was up
mircea_popescu: i've not heard of this.
undata: I've read they banned chemistry
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so far, 99% of the thoughts are "haxx the web"
undata: asciilifeform: who knows through the fog of propaganda
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where are the noteworthy intellectual achievements of the new caliphate? e.g., are they throwing out winblows (and not via return to 15th c. tech) ? who is paid to think thoughts in the lands of the new flag, and what kind of thoughts ?
mats_cd03: in this field
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: i get the distinct impression that tools in volatile memory forensics are still relatively primitive (compared to disk forensics) in lots of ways ... Volatility and friends have developed a better understanding of win internals, but much of what they principally do is still brute force scanning. is this observation accurate? i'm fairly amateur
mircea_popescu: and its improbable it happened seeing how they all happen right under my window.
bagels7: im canadian, and stupid canadian bitches on tv would rather say americans are not stupid than be impolite
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BingoBoingo: Are there even that many?
mircea_popescu: "evil warlord killed 5698048605 tenured professors in the us"
undata: the US is like that creepy, abusive parent that tells you everything is for your own good
mircea_popescu: and then being accused of "anti intellectualianism"
mircea_popescu: like me hanging by their fallopian tubes all us "social sciences" professors
undata: "Look I'm moving you peasants from this city to that because I want my rocket launch site there"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not see that such anti-intellectual stuff is anything but 2nd layer us propaganda re isis.
cazalla: undata, pretty sure that is what they imply though eh
mircea_popescu: it all starts with idiots who "wish to be polite"
undata: I'd take a king who said what he was up to any day.
mircea_popescu: undata in a world where pretense is allowed, truth is necessarily disallowed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i get that anti-intellectual 'black hundreds' phenomena are an expected thing. yes, they're inevitable after corrupt 'scientocracies' fuck up the planet. but - it still sucks.
undata: that's what drives me crazy about the US; nobody ever just says what's actual
mircea_popescu: isis is about as interesting as the columbian farc, except not bound by low population and tiny geograpgy.
undata: at least ISIS is explicit about their aims
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik isis is about as interesting as the iranian revolution. and for the same reason.
mircea_popescu: the substantial difference being that greece is a colony today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps as many as there are archimedes among modern greeks ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you know ? hollywood too busy giving prizes to shitfall.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you heard of the famous al-gorithm
mats_cd03: although, plenty of soldiers, i'm sure, if you were to ask...
cazalla: can i just be a cop that kills random nignogs
mats_cd03: eh. there's a distinct lack of officers in our ranks.
mircea_popescu: that sort of thing is stopped by people like us, and in its boundless ineptitude, the us has failed to come crawling on its hands and knees begging us.
undata: and even that US policy might be to help that come about, though I think that's giving too much credit
TomServo: undata: That the hardcore history guy?
undata: his theory is that the caliphate is exactly what's needed
mircea_popescu: that sort of thing can not be stopped by obama and buterin, oscar laureates.
mats_cd03: i think so too.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 so close to 100%...
mats_cd03: odds on the caliphate materializing in the next decade?
mircea_popescu: everyone that stays behind to populate reddit is plainly contemptible for this very reason.
mircea_popescu: it's the place to go.
mircea_popescu: tell; you what, any 20 yo male that is not abortion material actually goes to isis today.
mircea_popescu: at the "o noes, all these 20something kids going to isis"
mircea_popescu: and that was no isolated incident, look how fucking paniced the socialist states are today
mircea_popescu: fuck, the entire lawrence of arabia episode shows the arabs actually can make leaders OUT OF THE SOCIALIST GRUNTS
mircea_popescu: all three socialisms tried, the british, and the russian, and the us.
mircea_popescu: the "state" has been trying to make sure arabs have no leaders since the days of mandate palestine.
mircea_popescu: undata "the state". fuck them, they should have made sure they grew leaders.
undata: lever gardeners, they
mircea_popescu: you can't pick whether to have them or not.
undata: the state made sure they never grew any leaders
mircea_popescu: you have to understand there are some invariants in every system. you can pick which invariants, when you design it
undata: cazalla: well that was engineered though
cazalla: undata, if the nignogs had any sense, they'd all fight the cops instead of each other, but that won't ever happen
mircea_popescu: undata police is unmanageable in the socialist state.
undata: clearly terrorizing black people is just them enjoying themselves
undata: where the fuck is the authority who is supposed to manage these thugs (cops) and put them to some sensible use
mircea_popescu: they took the knife fights from the deported now ?!
cazalla: undata, down under mate, true blue aussie battler
mircea_popescu: i wonder if mr "advanced permanent threat" lol can be relied on.