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decimation: the only armored aircraft I know usg flies is
the A-10, and
they are
trying
to get rid of
them
undata: the guy
that flew a plane into a
TX IRS building
undata: the no-fly
thing reminds me of Joe Stack
decimation: I don't
think most us mil helicopters are armoured
decimation: heh yeah
too much weight for one
thing
decimation: asciilifeform: I
tend
to agree. Did you see
that USG banned flying over st. louis? For your safety.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Locally vehicle fitted with crazy antennas is one of firefighter or
TempleOS app developer. Feds nevar have cool visible antennas
decimation: typical FM receivers 'pick'
the strongest signal upon which
to lock
their PLL and
thus capture
the full output. One can experience
this with FM broadcast radio in
the car, as you are on
the edge of a station's coverage - you hear 'flutter' as your radio switches between
two stations
decimation: unlike FM,
two people can 'speak' on AM radio simultaneously while being simultaneously intelligible
to a
third party
decimation: plus it implies memory in
the system, which implies re-acquisition
time
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, but
that just pushes
the 'wall' lower and makes it steeper
decimation: right,
the other problem with digital schemes is
that
they
tend
to work well down
to a low SNR, and
then utterly fail
decimation: asciilifeform: wrt police need
to know < I
think
there is some credibility
to Mr. Y's
thinking
that urban police 'bridge
the gap' between crazy usg policy and reality
BingoBoingo: decimation: I know here firefighters prefer analog for "intelligible range" of
transmissions
decimation: because when you want help in burning wearing a mask, you don't want
to save bandwidth
decimation: firefighters want
the old full fm analog system, without compression
BingoBoingo: <decimation> many fire departments have resisted adopting
the pure-digital radios << Many firefighters/EMS prefer being able
to use personally acquired radios
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it would really only be of interest
to someone who is interesting
to
the police
decimation: because
the shitty codec (made by a proprietary chip company called dvsi) sounds even more shitty while wearing oxygen mask
decimation: many fire departments have resisted adopting
the pure-digital radios
decimation: actually because of police encryption,
the fire dept. is more interesting
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2014 03:23:50; asciilifeform:
that is,
the immediate question of whether 'they' are on
the way
to your sector.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2014 03:23:38; asciilifeform:
the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with
tactic, not strategy.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah,
that plus usg has generally used
the power of printed dollars
to make it such
that most people don't pay
taxes, making compliance a non-issue
decimation: which can usually only either receive
the control channel or a data channel at any one
time
decimation: well,
typically
the feed
that is being relayed on
those websites comes from a 'track-tracker' scanner
BingoBoingo: decimation: But if I go closer
than my present 30 miles... I face
the possibility of encountering either police or protesters
BingoBoingo: decimation: You have
to understand I am safely on
the other side of
the Mississippi and would rather stay here atm.
decimation: nah,
that stuff is repeated over multiple high repeater
towers
typically
BingoBoingo: decimation: Getting within range
to do
that seems precarious
decimation: BingoBoingo: it would be useful if someone had a copy of rachel by
the bay's apco-25 widget running
there
decimation: how does usg so utterly dominate
the masses?
decimation: asciilifeform: what amazes me is why a
tax revolt hasn't happened yet
undata: ben_vulpes: can't drink
tonight; I'm rolling out updates
this evening
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ben_vulpes: lady v's making pies with my younger brother
tonight and i don't want
to be around for it
BingoBoingo: "Guard Busses are not
to be used
to block
traffic"
undata: surely nothing
too nutso is going on downtown?
ben_vulpes: i'm staying way
the fuck out of
their way.
undata: that makes me want
to go drive around
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo:
this afternoon i saw a jeep 'truck' and chrysler 'minivan' block
traffic on burnside for no reason.
two vehicles, completely unmarked, pulled out into
traffic,
turned on head/taillight mars signallers, blocked
the street for
two full minutes,
then
turned said lights off and peeled off
undata: some software projects are irredeemably fucked, and maybe
the boss didn't want
to hear
that
undata: likely
the situation was somewhere in
the middle
undata: decimation: dunno, I'm on
the other end, and despise people who over-rely on authority
to
think
decimation: asciilifeform: so would it be better for
the elephant-builders
to
take note of
the shit foundation upon which
they work, or simply 'get
things done' new jersey style?
decimation: in practice, I've found
that kind of attitude
to result in workarounds on
top of workarounds, because of
the lack of coordination
undata: if
the boss has
to check off every single decision she's going
to make, why doesn't he just move her out of
the way? at
that point she's just a really slow intermediary
undata: which runs counter
to
the point of hiring her
undata: decimation: sure, but in
the case above
the worker could actually be over-communicating
decimation: undata: I
think it illustrates
the 'people are replaceable parts' attitude common in 'tech industry'
undata: I loathe working with people who bitch about how bad
the codebase
that is ostensibly
their "work" is
undata: -or- "stop
talking about how shitty
the code is and get it fixed"
undata: I have a hard
time processing how
telling your underling
to maximize
thinking for him/herself is suppression
decimation: "The seductive appeal of such
things was nearly irresistible, for each of
these items can make a quantum improvement in a sylvan lifestyle. Acquisition of several or all of
these goods is a
transformative experience
that makes contact essentially irreversible."
undata: "I'm not going
to be suppressed anymore" YOU HEAR
THAT DAD?!
decimation: well, so when it's 'easier'
to sit down and eat a
tv movie while having your brain manipulated by
the
tv, it's good
to know why
decimation: in
the comments he makes a useful summary: "Control
toward reduction of violence, protection of property rights, etc. is good, because
the consequences are good on net; you can’t have a civilized society when everyone is killing each other and looting
the corpses. Progressive control is bad, because civilization is incompatible with progressivism, so folk culture should be protected against mass culture."
decimation: yeah, many conversations here have parallels with his
thoughts
decimation: yeah
there were many women in cs in
the 80's