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kakobrekla: which are the first ones to go
assbot: Bitcoin TREZOR · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1tCeqBF )
punkman: https://github.com/trezor too much fukken code
kakobrekla: still i kinda think its a tad better than plain webwallet
asciilifeform: a dicelist is a list of folks who are to be diced.
asciilifeform: apologies to w. blake, but 'some are born to sweet delight,' and some are born to biodiesel pot.
kakobrekla: myea its worse than it thought this. a well, lucky for them btc has no chargeback!
asciilifeform: just like the folks who can't do written language - fell by the wayside
asciilifeform: if these are not available, we shall be needing a new 'homo cryptographicus' who can
asciilifeform: the beautifully dark cream-your-pants future of 'shall be delivered' is not attainable until folks learn to remember serious keys (yes, remember. with head.)
ben_vulpes: presumably the upgrade can be forced upon one by nef4ri0s micr0
asciilifeform: or rather - it is a joke. but on the chumps.
assbot: Updating your TREZOR’s firmware — TREZOR User Manual 1.0 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5QFbx )
kakobrekla: unless i already melted into the box here
punkman: all kinds of madness in there
punkman: asciilifeform: you got their website and download signed firmware, which is then pushed to device by way of browser plugin
asciilifeform: better than webwallet.
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that it is.
kakobrekla: just "its better than bc webwallet"
asciilifeform: (published pcb prints of that product show a microcontroller reprogrammable in-band - that is, via usb.)
kakobrekla: i will not tell them "this is 100% secure"
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: those will be going to people who run winblows and possibly a webwallet << if these are dear friends, think again before helping to culture a dangerous sense of false security.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and i still stand by the statement.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective < no need to test this hypothesis the result is known
asciilifeform: with rectocoin, you won't need to take the cyanide. but you'll probably wish you had.
kakobrekla: we just dont understand how the world works
asciilifeform: and destroy the coin.
asciilifeform: where there are 'duress signatures' that are not mathematically distinguishable from genuine spends until broadcast and diffused through network
asciilifeform: (the ultimate logical conclusion of this idea would be the hypothetical thing that is so far the only serious improvement on 'bitcoin fundamentals' i've been able to come up with. that is, 'rectothermcoin')
kakobrekla: one step at a time, those will be going to people who run winblows and possibly a webwallet
asciilifeform: so far bitcoin is the only coin that can live -entirely- in a brain, and failure to use this property is a kind of fundamental waste.
asciilifeform: 'must be this tall to ride.'
asciilifeform: if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective
asciilifeform: (all the scorn for brainwallets - i say - is enemy disinfo. storing private key in brain is ultimately inescapable, whatever other forms of storage are in use. hard disk? key is - where it is kept, plus decryption keys.)
asciilifeform: that is, a dedicated box for signing tx is useful, but why does it need to store keys?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: use the python tools to do anything with the Trezor << one of these days, someone should explain to me why a gadget like 'trezor' is necessary
ben_vulpes goes back to building the engine hoist
asciilifeform: who is, thus far, absent.
asciilifeform: but hoping that no one confuses the garage with the mechanic
asciilifeform: not really arguing with the let's have garage thing
ben_vulpes: this is not cargo cult deconstruction - this is taking the time to do a thing correctly.
ben_vulpes: similarly, there must be a garage, white sheet on the ground, binder for part numbering and notes.
ben_vulpes: if the barbarian opens the hood and immediately disassembles the engine, what can we expect to happen?
asciilifeform: yes, but opening up the hood and taking the engine apart is a very different order of task than paint.
ben_vulpes: boring cylinders, flushing tubes, checking elasticity of remaining o-rings...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: actually i stole the chair metaphor (from - forget whom? ted nelson?)
ben_vulpes: overhauling the engine consists of a myriad of turdlets.
asciilifeform: but it will not run again from the paint.
asciilifeform: one can paint the ww2 tank dredged up from the swamp all kinds of nice colours
asciilifeform: the devilish thing is, solving the small turdlets is pleasurable
ben_vulpes: i am familiar with this metaphor of yours.
asciilifeform: i also like to call it 'chair-stacking space program'
asciilifeform: this is a tremendously annoying mental glitch that i see just about everywhere - from '3d printer' enthusiasts to man-in-space aficionados. it being, the notion that solving myriad 'small, solvable' problems somehow brings us closer to solving the 'big ones' for which we have no angle of approach
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm glad you're here to hold our feet to the fire.
thestringpuller: last time I tried to sync blockchain, the thing just blew up
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, whoever else: after some hours and a restart the thing jumped << if it needs hand-holding for normal operation (including blockchain sync) it isn't a usable gizmo.
asciilifeform: in the latter case, enough lead that it appears nearly black in the aggregate.
asciilifeform: lead crystal << simply a less-leaded version of the (formerly) ubiquitous glass from which crt is made.
asciilifeform: the folks who signed up voluntarily - are, to use the inescapable usaism, 'not the brightest light bulbs at Home Depot' (hardware shop)
asciilifeform: can't think of a more perfect list of folks for the politruks to shoot come day X.
asciilifeform: 'oath keepers' << if it isn't a honeypot, it (from usg's perspective) ought to be.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: frost mage, at your fingertips. all you need is a compressor << notably, as depicted in the liquid helium scene in 'stand on zanzibar'
asciilifeform: the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead << entirely spurious argument advanced by the poettering folks. 'dbus' is not (to date) used for any application where the context switch overhead would approach detectability, much less really mattering
asciilifeform: dbus in kernel << mega-lol! afaik the (by now universally-known) 'dbus' exploit is still a reliable 'local root escalation' on any and all boxes where the abomination is installed
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu withdrawals pls
asciilifeform seconds this motion ^
asciilifeform: >> the foundations 10btc should be spent on japanese toilets <<
kakobrekla: but i dunno, who joined in last few months that is not worth keeping?
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 00:21:33; mats_cd03: the number of newcomers that have become regulars has dwindled massively
mats_cd03: you'll never get a writer that reads chinese and wants to write for qntra at this rate :p
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 23:54:29; tandacoin: ive used them for ages and hashstaker is going to make so much money it sold out in hours
adlai: I'd agree in general that bridges burn fast in assettown, although in this case, let's just reread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2014#938962 ☝︎
mats_cd03: i feel this encourages an echo chamber as it continues
mats_cd03: the number of newcomers that have become regulars has dwindled massively ☟︎
adlai: depends what's on the other side, or worse yet, partway across
mats_cd03: too quick to burn bridges is all i'm saying
nubbins`: "which button is that?" "it varies"
adlai: "our planes may be old, but they're also uncomfortable"
cazalla: mats_cd03, not reary, the guy was only trying to get an article up on qntra to pump his own site in all likelihood
nubbins`: "press any button you want except for the one that breaks it"
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> "this is actually the only cockroach in this soup". <<< lel
mats_cd03: works better to educate, then drop the bombs after it fails
kakobrekla: no time for being soft, time for pokemon!
mats_cd03: cazalla is a little heavy handed with the criticism
cazalla: tandacoin, you run that site with microguy, the goldcoin scammer?
gribble: Weighted covering numbers of convex sets: <http://www.tau.ac.il/~shiri/publications/weighted-cov.pdf>; Device for deflecting a bundle of light rays: <http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pdfs/US4878720.pdf>; ISSUU - L3 Magazine 2014 November ft. Tessanne Chin by L3 ...: <http://issuu.com/l3magazine/docs/l3_magazine_-_2014_-_november_ft._t>
ben_vulpes: ;;google tandacoin
tandacoin: you guys have no idea how to do business or journalism, im not going to waste my time with u
tandacoin: too stupid ? thnx
kakobrekla: well that went well :)
cazalla: tandacoin, clearly you are too stupid to write for qntra but thanks anyway
ben_vulpes: jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2014-November/000014.html << am i doing this right yet?
cazalla: "i've used them for ages, i've made a profit".. famous last words
tandacoin: ive used them for ages and hashstaker is going to make so much money it sold out in hours ☟︎
cazalla: unless it is relevant to bitcoin itself, example being group abc scam a bunch of btc to start their own scam coin
assbot: ATO Submission To Economics References Committee Now Available | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9YjD4 )
cazalla: kakobrekla, ben_vulpes, nintendo are holding some pokemon event today, so i gotta go get the eon ticket or i won't be able to catch 'em all
cazalla: tandacoin, that'll be included in november's report
tandacoin: How much did coinroll pay to advertise on qntra
tandacoin: Ok I will work on that