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adlai: well erowid doesn't accept btc in
the same way as
those guys :)
nubbins`: i
think i bought some HBWR seeds from
there
nubbins`: was surprised
to see
them still running
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 13:09:41; mircea_popescu: so
this is
the drug of dog ?
punkman sneaks off
to order some mitragyna speciosa
nubbins`: we actually sold out on saturday and now
there's like 25 on backorder
nubbins`: it does not lend itself
to addiction
punkman: *another decade, not keen on smoking salvia any
time soon
nubbins`: i suppose if i set it
to broil it'd get however hot
punkman: nubbins`: did you ever
try a
tincture? I always wondered how
that worked
nubbins`: "Based on my own experiments using an adjustable
thermocouple-controlled heat gun, I found
that
the ideal airstream
temperature for vaporizing salvinorin A from dried leaves is approximately 277° C"
nubbins`: who happened
to be standing in my bedroom. which was actually a farm.
nubbins`: my first
time with 5x i had a mental conversation in a language i didn't speak with an old woman
punkman: first
time wtih 5x, I remember having a 20min conversation with my keyboard
nubbins`: man.
this was like
ten years ago.
nubbins`: then generally
the room/space/forest/whatever would fill with a heavy static buzz, upward from
the ground
nubbins`: is generally how
the come-up was for me
nubbins`: punkman massiva salivation and internal organs being pulled
to one side
nubbins`: if it grew in another part of
the world
they woulda called it soma
danielpbarron: salvia does kinda feel like an anti-opiate; it feels like
the opposite of comfortable
nubbins`: *sluuurp* i've never had a buzz *sluuuurp* like
this bef......
nubbins`: 5 minutes later, wiping
tears off
their face
nubbins`: plain leaf requires
the inhalation of plumes of smoke
danielpbarron: felt like i became
the hardwood floor i was lying on
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> i didn't grok "weird" until i
tried salvia
nubbins`: i don't want
the responsibility
nubbins`: hyperbole aside, i actually cannot recommend
that anyone
try smoking salvia
nubbins`: well i guess you don't need
to smoke salvia
nubbins`: or "o, how long was i out? who broke all
this glass?"
nubbins`: or "o, it feels like my jaw has detached from my head and is wrapping
tightly around my neck, coil after unending coil"
mircea_popescu: "i know exactly how garza scams, having watched a number of his scams in
trhe past, and i can assure you
this one's legit"
nubbins`: and i'm
telling you
that about 20 seconds after you inhale a lungful of salvia smoke, everything you see and hear and feel around you is just GONE and replaced with something else.
mircea_popescu: well if
there's no argument on
that point,
then
there's no argument on
the "watch
the clouds" point either
nubbins`: however, i'd
taken relatively large doses of several different hallucinogens by
the
time i discovered salvia
mircea_popescu: in
the same vein with "i won a million bucks in
the reader's digest mailing, look!"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: certainly, and
there's no argument on
that point.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im merely bringing
the argument
that an inclination
to be impressed with what one sees and a
tendency
to get excited about what's directly seen is more a
thing of youth
than a
thing of humanity.
mircea_popescu: seems
to me if high
temperature is required
the correct approach is not a butane
torch but a
thermostat hotplate.
nubbins`: if i'm parsing
this correctly, you're equating a salvia high
to a form of elevated excitement
nubbins`: otherwise, little
to no effects, mostly uncomfortable physical feelings
mircea_popescu: some people get really elated watching
theatre. heck, most 9yos spend
the rest of
the day doing weirdo dance move
things after
their first action movie experience.
nubbins`: correct method is
to blast it with a butane
torch while inhaling
nubbins`: mircea_popescu
the vaporization point of salvinorin is far higher
than
the
temperature of
the cherried, smouldering plant. you can quite easily "smoke it wrong".
punkman: can be hard
to get
the right dose
cazalla: i watched some guys have awful
trips on salvia on youtube, you couldn't pay me
to smoke
that
cazalla: i
took 2 aspirin instead of 1 once upon a
time
nubbins`: mircea_popescu while i can't quantify my "impressionability", you're so far off-base here
that i don't know where
to begin
mats_cd03: and it will only be
that one
time in high school
mats_cd03: ive never felt
that fucked up on anything other
than salvia
mircea_popescu: and for
that money, you could probably have
the same results if you just sat on your back and watched
the clouds go by long enough
punkman: was a long
time, but I can attest
to
that
mircea_popescu: takes a very impressionable sort. it's more you
than it's it
nubbins`: i didn't grok "weird" until i
tried salvia
nubbins`: salvia just drops you into another place entirely. you're not sitting on your bed looking at your bedside
table, you're in
the produce section of
the grocery store watching people smell your colors
adlai: I guess nobody listens
to you anymore! :P
adlai: maybe a few don't, but nobody listens
to
them anymore
mircea_popescu: nubbins`
they pretend like it's painful... but it's not.
adlai: addiction is brilliant, for
the plants
adlai: "TV is
the first electric drug... somebody else's
trip, plus advertisements" - mckenna
nubbins`: iirc salvinorin is actually
the most potent naturally-occuring drug
nubbins`: punkman: hit of 10x salvia extract, great substitute for a
ten-strip of owsley acid
adlai: you
take one hit bro and you're not addicted anymore, man, you can do anything you want
punkman: nubbins`: cup of kratom
tea, great substitute for coffee
adlai: that's nothing, i had
two in my white house
adlai has never
tried verified salvia,
the one
time somebody brought over "salvia" it was more similar
to expired mint leaves, and about as potent
nubbins`: srsly, lighting plants on fire and breathing
the smoke? ;/
mircea_popescu: shall
there be no end of
this "i smoke oregano
the older kids sold
to me as a mockery BECAUSE I ENJOY IT!"
nubbins`: adlai incidentally i was in a buyer's club for salvia for a period of
time
adlai: "I
think
the dark side of
the moon is worth 100 dead kids" - maher