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mircea_popescu: the messages should be kept around for a short interval (hour ?) while
the user can retain
them as long as he wants.
artifexd: If you do
the gossip
thing
then each server needs
to maintain a history (of possibly infinite length)
artifexd: I could see
the value in
that if maintaining an unbroken history was important.
artifexd: Now you're
talking about a lot of back and forth instead of
the bundle approach.
mike_c: just
teasing
the bitcoin foundation :D
mike_c: why? let
the other ircd change it's name.
artifexd: Anybody have a good name for
this project? ircd isn't going
to cut it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right. Prolly won't be long before ISIS seizes a medical xray and does some experimenting
to catch up
tp 5Is on
this front
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well i imagine sufficiently resourceful
turrorist would make a normal looking
to X-Ray evil battery pack
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo soon enough
there's going
to be a "no half empty batteries" rule
then.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Really for
the purpose of passing airport security one could likely replace all but
the volume of one cell with substance, power on from coin cells.
mircea_popescu: artifexd i wonder if for some god-forsaken reason
the shitgnomes never actually considered
this obviousness.
ben_vulpes: i've not
the mental horsepower
to attack
this right now. after
tango
tho.
BingoBoingo: hanbot: Well,
the first bullet on
the subject missed and you politely loaded
the chamber with a second so why not?
mircea_popescu: suppose i make 50k 1btc
txn.
they don't fit in a 1mn block.
they do fit in a 10mb block. what now ?
mircea_popescu: since one contains more
txn
than
the other by definition.
artifexd: ben_vulpes: You don't. You keep sending money
to yourself until it happens.
mircea_popescu: (if it were
that simple,
teh enemies wouldn't be going
through all
the gymnastics & eating up all
the frogs)
hanbot: BingoBoingo oh, i just
thought i'd give
the paragraph mp described a shot
ben_vulpes: i still fail
to see how you're going
to make a
txn
that gets included in
the large block chain and not
the small block chain.
mircea_popescu: the only way
to guard against it is, obviously,for
the "large" chain
to maintain 1:1 identity with
the "small" one. because you don't just fork bitcoin.,
mircea_popescu: the attempt may fail, but
the cost
to me of
this failure is not significant, so i can keep on
trying until it succeeds.
mircea_popescu: now i have bitcoin separated in
two addresses, one for each chain.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if one block's large and
the other small, all i need a
tx
that's included in
the large block but not
the small one.
then doublespend it on
the small one, which will be rejected necessarily by
the large block blockchain
assbot: Which bank will have
the foresight
to give /krakenfx a USD bank account? /Chase /WellsFargo /BofA_News /usbank /Citibank /HSBC_US /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
BingoBoingo: Getting
the coins differently spent safely
to different addresses on each chain is
the important part.
BingoBoingo: First step is
to double spend such
that confirmed coins from address A end up confirmed
to a safe depth at different addresses B and C on
the different forked chains.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: how do you plan
to cook up a
transaction dumping your coins
that's valid on
the gavinchain but not
the mirceachain?
artifexd: So
the "Hi
there" part could include destination information in addition
to
the message. Much like irc does now.
mircea_popescu: but it's for as in, "i am doing in
the name of x, ie, for x"
mircea_popescu: artifexd i guess in retrospect
the use of "for" was misguided. chetty warned me,
too.
mircea_popescu: is
this ver's way of saying he can't afford anything bitcoin-related anymore, not even
that
thing in miami ?
artifexd: Oh!
That shifts my interpretation somewhat.
assbot: While forcing me
to pay
taxes /USEmbassyBbdos
tyrants won't allow me
to attend /hashtag/CES2015?src=hash, /hashtag/TNABC?src=hash or anything in
the US
http://t.co/8dl6qpPjUM artifexd: refreshing
the page
to see new comments does.
mircea_popescu: i'd bet you but we can't use bitbet because it doesn't
take gavin btc.
mircea_popescu: dude, it will be 5 years before anyone even figures out
there's something
to attack.
mircea_popescu: and it will get more eyeballs reading code on
the strength of
the already existing
thing.
mircea_popescu: but
there can be a later protocol extension covering udp
mircea_popescu: if done right, a reasonable expectation will be
that any box is running it anyway.
mircea_popescu: it is in my eyes much more valuable
to have a working prototype rapidly,
that
then can be extended (and nothing will prevent a future client
to filter
traffic any way itchooses, say by accepting udp only)
mircea_popescu: another advantage
to
tcp is
that you don't really get
to care about mtus and all
that.