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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, but you can sign it with yours, if you wish. which correctly reflects
the situation. "here are
the words of great X i attest
to"
mircea_popescu: incidentally,
the evolution of
this dev session clearly proves
the superiority of chat over say bbs, of which forums and
trilema comments are implementations.
mircea_popescu: and if i am in your list and you in mine
the same is preserved by gossipd.
artifexd: Signing messages would provide
that same assurance. But automatically.
artifexd: When you and I have a conversation on here (and gribble is around, and you ident
to a key),
then later you and I have another conversation (and, again, gribble is around and you ident
to
the same key),
then I can
trust
that I am
talking
to
the same person I was before.
mircea_popescu: the only entity served by
this nonsense is nsa. users don't actually exist, outside of what
the parties you
trust say.
mircea_popescu: moreover, i wish
to
take
this opportunity and link
the important point of
the "unsheathe your sword". inasmuch as people proceed on
the "user objectively exists" and
then
try
to "create anonimity"
the unavoidable result is "anonimity is hard lolz".
artifexd: It would be a
timestamped "No".
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> for
that matter, imagine a "No" string signed. what now ? <<
This is
the big.
mircea_popescu: this "objective existence of user" is a
trap in our
task here. it doesn'
tserve, it hinders.
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, imagine a "No" string signed. what now ?
artifexd: If by "sign" you mean "have some effing clue who just said
that"
mircea_popescu: well, i don't. i more often have sex with someone in
the bus
mircea_popescu: do you ordinarily sign contracts with people you chat with in
the bus ?
artifexd: Everyone is already identified by crypto. Why not ensure
that messages
that say
they are from a keyset actually came from
the keyset?
artifexd: Because we are building a new system from
the ground up.
artifexd: That seems... less
than ideal.
mircea_popescu: in fact, for all you know A sends whole different novels
to B and C.
mircea_popescu: don't
trust people you don't
trust and so you won't have
to answer unpleasant questions from people whose
trust you value.
artifexd: Maybe A is
trustworthy but got
the message from D.
artifexd: When a message A for B C comes over
the wire, how can I
trust
that B actually said C?
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2015 17:59:47; davout: i was
thinking rely on GPG and simply encode a nonce in
the message
artifexd: There is not. I
took
that as an oversight.
mircea_popescu: each server maintains his wot ratings, and
theyt are sent out as part of hello procedure
artifexd: Ok.
The layers are forming in my head.
Apocalyptic: how long are
the bans
typically scheduled for ?
mircea_popescu: lettuce continue
this convo while asciilifeform feels all left out :D
artifexd: Piss...
trilema is 502ing again
assbot: Logged on 12-11-2014 01:24:54; asciilifeform: ^ my ancient failed attempt at 'wot.' was
to be used with another (never happened) apparatus, 'sollipse,' for running a 'multiverse' of wots.
mircea_popescu: the current implementation favours what is fundamewntally an erroneous view of
thew wot as "one
thing". it is not one
thing.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why
the "total score" nonsense is so hard entrenched.
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, a "total score" is nonsense predicated on
this mistaken view.
artifexd: Side question: How do you quote a previous comment on
trilema?
artifexd: asciilifeform: What you want sounds very similar
to bitmessage, no?
mircea_popescu: if i were
to connect
to irc with a 360 baud modem i would similarily lose messages.
artifexd: Sure it would. If you have a connection
to another server, it will send you all
the messages it gets. Although I imagine some manner of "screw you, you're
too slow" code will be needed eventually.
mircea_popescu: because it's chat. if someone wants
to log it,
that's a diff story.
artifexd: Why? If you're connected when a message comes across
the wire, you get it. If not, you don't. Much like irc now.
artifexd: An hour? Shit. I was
thinking 5 seconds.
Apocalyptic: mircea, I get a
timeout for both
trilema and qntra, looks like we may have been banned, which is surprising because I didn't refresh
the page
too quickly