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mircea_popescu: but you disagree with
the implementation of ewxactly
this ?
mircea_popescu: you understand
this ? nobody can police a list of 2bn ip addresses.
mircea_popescu: i dun see how any of
these are serious avenues
to attack gossipd.
mircea_popescu: now, why shouldn't
this be
the situation
to everyone ?
mircea_popescu: as far as i recall, for as far as my own chatlog is concerned, it
took
them exactly an hour longer
than it
took me
to decide it's enough.
mircea_popescu: in practice derps never manage
this, if we're
to go by history, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
then you piss me off, i frown at your friend, you're out.
mircea_popescu: artifexd i ended up referring
to your project as
that.
artifexd: The
torrents
that I have run get 15-20 connections
mircea_popescu: i just meant, generally. i dun care for what,
trying
to see how
this works in practice.
mircea_popescu: for my curiosity, people who run
torrents : how many connections is common ? 10 ? 20 ? 40 ? 80 ? 160 ?
mircea_popescu: doubt it
tho, seeing how many
they are and how ignominously
they labour.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actual pedo irl yes. among
the online scum
that makes up a good chunk of
the "bitcoin community" on places like forums etc, common enough.
mircea_popescu: seems
to me on
the contrary, it's just "random redneck doing various shit online like scams and pedophilia got nicked"
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2014 00:04:59; asciilifeform: pierce << ideal example of
the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any
time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.
mircea_popescu: artifexd
the roland freisler of our
times, preet bharara. crown's prosecutor for southern ny / rico conspiracy lynchpin.
mircea_popescu: perhaps
this is what irks, such a clear statement of
that inconvenient (but nevertheless
true) fact
mircea_popescu: what people who have no clue believe resting squarely outside not of your control, but
THIS WORLD.
artifexd: asciilifeform:
That is my desire as well
mircea_popescu: artifexd
this is possible lol. but also a large number.
artifexd: I
think you're accused of being other people more often
than you are impersonated.
mircea_popescu: i have enough experience with it
to know it does \exactly nothing.
mircea_popescu: i am impersonated all
the
time, on all sorts of venues.
artifexd: I start up my little process, it makes a connection
to one or eight other people and it just works
through
the magic of maths.
artifexd: I had imagined #b-a but where everyone is ident'd all
the
time. No impersonating anyone else is remotely possible.
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2015 01:22:05; asciilifeform: with udp, you can make
the 'friend or foe?' decision upon receipt of a single (!) packet.
mircea_popescu: artifexd so how is it different from
the project you
thouight it was ?
artifexd: Sign whatever you want. As long as
the
timestamp is recent.
mircea_popescu: o look, 1k lines by 4 am. ben_vulpes will so much love
this.
artifexd: Sure. I have no issue with
that.
mircea_popescu: so you're going
to have
to carry
the shoe horn yourself.
mircea_popescu: cause you're
tryin
to shoehorn nonchat uses of a chat network.
artifexd: asciilifeform: You have
to have some way of receiving return messages, right?
artifexd: I add
the ip address
to
the key so when I start up, I have a place (or places)
to look for you.
artifexd: Sure.
Then
the handshake doesn't go both ways, but
the information shared is
the same. I know you have
the key you say you have. You know I have
the key I say I have.
mircea_popescu: spec was simpler on
the assumption
that since
the helo package is keyed
to
the supposed key of
the server,
there's no need
to challenge
artifexd: As a currently running gossipd, if I get a connection request with "I'm bob. Here's proof",
then I accept
the connection and add
that ip address
to my list for
that key. (For later connecting
to him)
mircea_popescu: artifexd
this could also work, as a handshakey sort of
thing, sure.
artifexd: cool. Keep
the connection. If not, dump it.
artifexd: I would
think
that instead of a list of ip addresses you would have a list of pubkeys and each pubkey has one (or more) ip addresses assigned
to it. When you start up gossipd, it calls out
to all
the ip addresses in
the lists and says "I'm bob, proven by
this signature. Prove you are alice, with cryptoproof". If
the answering box responds appropriately,
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i don;'t see what in
the spec would prevent anyone from so doing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's merely meant
to put chat on a sane footing.
mircea_popescu: and admitting everyone known is known
to
the same, high degree
to warrant a connection.