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BingoBoingo: It's clear. He admitted
to fabricating
the allegation.
cazalla: if it wasn't already clear, i didn't steal/recieve/transact with
that Rozal guy
ben_vulpes: yeah, mebbe he gets
to it first. he'd certainly do a better job.
ben_vulpes: when i'm rich and can read and fuck and code on whatever pleases me all day i'm going
to write MY OWN OS
thestringpuller: "the right for people
to freely
trade with each other without anybody interfering with
the
transaction"
ben_vulpes can't cope with
the constantly moving
targets
mircea_popescu: lol@fuckyou.biz sez "this article is fucking stupid and i hope it was written as a joke
to piss off nerds"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you don't understand, she was almost under 18 at
the
time and she didn't agree
to switch positions!
mircea_popescu: <davout> just wondering if
there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in
the spec << so people can have fun.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] hm.
turns out i don't actually understand what merged mining actually is. << welcome
to my club of ignorance
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ben_vulpes: mats: do you not get
the pizza reference?
davout: ^
that sounds like something good
Apocalyptic: so you would not want deedbot
to
take it back
Apocalyptic: afaik ben_vulpes is correct, it's a feature
that icentivies 3rd parties
to verify
undata: davout: you could just wait
to upload after
the second
transaction confirms
davout: mats: 1000 btc used
to also be hardly a pizza
undata: the
two
transations
thing seems fine
davout: Apocalyptic:
the idea is
to reveal
the salt, but only after
the bitcoin has been claimed back from
the bundle-related addy, not keep it secret forever
undata: Apocalyptic: yeah,
that ruins
that without later revealing
the salt
Apocalyptic: undata, ?
the purpose is
that everyone can hash
the bundle and verify
the address indeed matches
davout: undata: yep, my
thought
too
undata: I was also wondering whether one might want
to salt
the generated private key somehow so it's harder
to guess
undata: davout:
that occurred
to me as well
davout: if
there's actually one deed bundle per hour
that'll amount
to
ben_vulpes: (or
two centuries. pick your
timeframe).
ben_vulpes: 0.001 btc is a pizza
today, and a nuke sub in five decades
davout: just wondering if
there was a specific reason it wasn't mentioned in
the spec
davout: not
that i see
this as a design flaw or somesuch, jsut
ben_vulpes: davout:
talk
to
the specwriter, but i believe
the
thing acts as a btc spigot so as
to incentivize auditing of its behavior.
davout: ben_vulpes: you might just as well spend
that back
to deedbot's wallet by broadcasting a second
transaction at
the same
time
davout: also
there was another
thing regarding deedbot, if all deeds are simply concatenated before being hashed into a bitcoin private key,
that means anyone watching
the process
taking place can deduce
the bitcoin private key
that's going
to be generated, and claim
the coins
that'll be sent
there
davout: more from
the fact
that folks you
trust are looking at deeds being
timestamped
mircea_popescu: anyway, i got a meeting, we'll have
to continue
this debte in a few hours.
mircea_popescu: it does make sense. because
the
trust does not derive from a robotic application of a gpg seal.
Apocalyptic: the content has
to be made public and witnessed by others at
the
time it's
timestamped
davout: well, in
that case it doesn't really make sense
to me
that
the notary doesn't GPG-sign
mircea_popescu: you're free
to sign whatever matter a similar way, but it won't be
thus notarized. it will just be your own mock-up of
the process.
mircea_popescu: the notary keeps a list of all
the items it was sent a certain way.
mircea_popescu: because for all i know you signed a "coin will fall heads" statement
too and aren't sharing
that one.
mircea_popescu: if you come hither with a signed statement saying "the coin will fall
tails" i won't particularly care
davout: well, blockchain is
the witness here, or am i missing sthg?
Apocalyptic: davout sounds right, deedbot can verify a payment was made
to
that address and hence include it retrospectively
davout: the way i saw it was
that it'd just be a manually-made lord-signed deed, rather
than one compiled by an IRC bot
mircea_popescu: people should be able
to sign independently of
the notary, and should be able
to mock its formality, sure.
davout: what matters is
the way it works, not
the specific implementation
that actually works
the way it is specified, just my 2 bitcents anyway
davout: BingoBoingo: sure, but if your
timestamping respects deedbot's spec just get it included along
BingoBoingo: But part of
the deedbot appeal is also hosting
the deeds as a stronger pastebin/dpaste alternative.
davout: you can just sha256 your content, make an address out of
that, send a bitcent
there, and since
that's how deedbot is supposed
to work, you get your stuff deedbot-timestamped before deedbot even exists
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Oh, but such good drama
this morning
BingoBoingo: davout: But why should we remain barbarians defining
time as UTC when we can define it in
terms of Block height?
davout: BingoBoingo: you can already
timestamp some stuff and get deedbot
to accept it later as previously
timestamped,
that is, if
the bundle structure is already defined
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I've always had
this standard ready.
There was jsut never a situation for it.
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, you are setting a v.nice standard for
this sort of situation
BingoBoingo thinks
this could have been a perfect use of deedbot
BingoBoingo: This
time he was caught in his lie because he was sloppy.
The next
time he does it he probably won't be so sloppy.
BingoBoingo: He's already negrated me. Nothing
to lose
there.
davout: BingoBoingo: what's
the risk? some derp negrating you?
BingoBoingo: If he wants
to debate
this he can do it in a public channel. Given he has fabricated allegations before I want
to make it unambiguously clear
that I will not engage him privately.
davout: if he's lucky it'll overflow back
to some positive rating :D
davout: yeah, if you can't wait 120 blocks
to separate coins you'll have
to convince a pool
to mine a crosschain double spend
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davout: since eligius pays directly from
the coinbase you're guaranteed
to receive a payout
that's spendable on one chain but not on
the other
mircea_popescu: that sort of latency means you'll be a late comer
to
the "sell it into
the dirt" party.
mircea_popescu: im not happy with waiting
the 200 blocks for
the scamcoins
to mature.
davout: also, i
think
that if what you want
to achieve is a bitcoin separator,
the easiest way is simply
to acquire a satoshi from eligius and use it on
the input side of a
transaction
mircea_popescu: maybe
this entire pool
thing actually just needs
to be a website
to generate raw
tx for people
to put in bitcoind
mircea_popescu: course,
this is not actually needed either. miners already do
that, in
that
they look for high
tx fee
txn
mircea_popescu: it *could* just look for dblspent
txs
that made it on gavinchain and prioritize
them
mircea_popescu: actually you're right huh, it doesn't need
to be
trustless and
that "send
to pool" step is gunk.
davout: s/gavincoins/gavincoin
txes/
davout: so if i understand correctly,
the main characteristic you want for
this pool, is
that it prioritizes double-spends of already-confirmed gavincoins when picking which
txes
to put in its blocks
mircea_popescu: the principal utility of
this
thing is
to guarantee
the general public
the ability
to split its coins on
the
two chains
davout: if you remove 1.
then mining gavincoin blocks can be removed from
the rfc as well
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mircea_popescu: davout yeh i am surrendered, merging doesn't work like i
thought it would.
davout: mircea_popescu: for
the first >1mb block you will necessarily have a different merkle root, so you can't possibly have
the same block hash at any point afterwards
mircea_popescu: i guess satoshi not only ran a windows machine with c, but it was a 32bit
thing
davout: mircea_popescu: what would be in
that
table?
mircea_popescu: if you really want
that effect, fill a hunting weapon with quailshot and have at it.