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asciilifeform: sometimes this is even included as... an employment perk. at some megacorps.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modernized version of this sc4m4tr0n is 'services' where chump pays subscription (xx months Phr33333! l1mit3d t1m3!!!11) to get 'rewards' (coupons for things that he won't use / don't exist / end up costing even more than for others)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux << popular chumpatronic device in usa, but fading on accout of the demise of dead tree newspapers
asciilifeform: and what to do it not (or if this results in a wild number due to diddled box on other end)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is no reason whatsoever to have ntp client -or- server on that box. question was whether to use functionality built into 'u-boot' to grab ntp time from [somewhere] once, on powerup.
asciilifeform: let it maintain own local time if must
asciilifeform: there is no reason to add linkages from bitcoind to kernel space.
asciilifeform: decimation: terrible idea. can hardly even picture how to make it worse.
danielpbarron: A woman who checked into a hotel room in Gateshead said she found the words "I'm going to rape you" on the TV screen. Travelodge said it believed someone may have used the TV manufacturer's code to change the settings.
assbot: Rape threat found in Gateshead Travelodge room - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1y1q5x0 )
TheNewDeal: wow that was a quick follow up
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing. << or a thing at all.
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BingoBoingo: Just have to make sure the toy node ntp implementation actually holds to that.
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decimation: it is only used to filter incoming timestamps & maintain the system clock
decimation: no, in this case there would be no reason for ntp to be network accessible
BingoBoingo: Just have to remember that carelessly configured ntp accessible on the network is one of the DoS amplification venues we hate
decimation: ntp will use its own math to average & filter time
decimation: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver28.html < with the proper configuration, one can poke the current block timestamp (and the system clock time when the block came in off the wire) into an ntp shared memory interface
decimation: re: ntp & bitcoind << actually, it would be possible to get ntp to 'listen' to bitcoind to keep track of time
ben_vulpes: introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing.
ben_vulpes: have the discussion sometime when we're not trying to do whatever we're trying to do this week, mk?
decimation: of course one could just store the number of digits too
decimation: so the idea would be you approach some irrational number with each improvement (add a digit)
mod6: decimation: i mean the pi versioning.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't. << one either owns real estate or doesn't. where does that leave the teenagers, inhabiting comfortable middle class homes they can't afford, and not even having to suck cock for it, like they will a decade down the road ?
decimation: or were you talking about pointy sticks?
mod6: ah thx
decimation: http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/abcde.html "The latest and best TeX is currently version 3.14159265 (and plain.tex is version 3.141592653); METAFONT is currently version 2.7182818 (and plain.mf is version 2.71). "
mod6: decimation: they just outlawed sledding too
mircea_popescu: hence the boiler room name
mod6: decimation: got a link to something about that, not seeing anything relevant
decimation: ben_vulpes: technically pointy sticks are already outlawed in most us states
decimation: re: version numbers: what about the knuth model of approching pi or something?
mircea_popescu: see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux.
mircea_popescu: go break into one of these low income households, rape the women, kill the men, ransack the drawers.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again. << at the time it was 50-70bux or so.
mircea_popescu: anyone's more than welcome to run their own blocklists, which some people do. but the entire network's built on the premise that you can'trealy isolate nodes.
mod6: we're getting close to wrapping up a first cut of this thing. so i want to nail down any changes before we get start to roll one.
mod6: i was pretty set on v0.5.3.1 until ascii tells us that we might not be able to be talk to anything < 0.8 -- which to me seems weird.. because i've fully syncd a dozen times, and done send/receive np
mircea_popescu: mod6 a) lord kelvin! there's no kalvin. an' b) just forget about this entire vanity version thing, why do you want to hardfork the versions now ?!
mod6: anyway, i like the kalvin thing. but that'll have to be something to think about later.
mod6: so my point here is, without a bigger overhaul to the versioning system; one would have to set 90000 to be v0.9.0, or 9000000 to be 9.0.0, but then what? because we should be counting down. and at some point, we'll cross the threshold of < 0.8
BingoBoingo: More on the Pindo that called for Linux to quit Linus http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/21/yes-i-was-a-racist-and-im-mentally-ill-shanley-kane-in-shocking-social-media-meltdown/
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mod6: and im wondering, if we use kalvin, and start at 9000 (it'll result in v0.0.90-beta) how we can ensure that other nodes won't think we're on < 0.8
mod6: so currently, to set the version we must set this value: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/serialize.h#L63
BingoBoingo: Working on that vocabulary
BingoBoingo: Πίνδος << The wrong kind of greeks
asciilifeform: (hint: nothing, contrary to popular notion, to do with pederasty)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bonus points if you track down the etymology of пиндос
asciilifeform: are they thus 'in' the whatever bubble ?
asciilifeform: a set of entirely brainless, thoroughly pickled bums - buys these 'financial instruments'
asciilifeform: say a demented beggar were to print 'stocks' and 'futures' on used toilet paper. for, say, exxon.
asciilifeform: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold << trying to make argument that they weren't 'in', but more like the clingers-on one sees hanging from trams and trolleybuses in the turd works
asciilifeform: the psychology of not merely bagholder, but with gigantic hole in the bottom of bag
thestringpuller: the psychology of the bagholder
asciilifeform: 'took' so they can lose to winblows, or sell at 100.
ben_vulpes: not rocket surgery, this.
ben_vulpes: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold. hurt more when it pops.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when 1200 usd/btc, did they take?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect they would even refuse a brick of, e.g., iridium. because it isn't gold, they've never seen it, have no idea of its value nor even whether it's a stable element
mats: indoors awaiting the snowpocalypse
ben_vulpes: hey mats, how're the massachusets sluts today?
ben_vulpes: everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again.
ben_vulpes: as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected semi technically savvy person to take a bitcoin.
asciilifeform: as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected street idiot to take a bitcoin.
asciilifeform: unlike some of the non-usa folks here, i find it entirely plausible that nobody claimed the free coin.
ben_vulpes: one of the ohians renting squats to derps
asciilifeform: who is mrs. tickball ?
gribble: the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <the20year> i hear they're aiming for a 0.5% APY
ben_vulpes: ;;seen the20year
gribble: mrstickball was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Mrstickball> they are as well, AFAIK
ben_vulpes: <punkman> [] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg << this is what happens when even knives are outlawed
ben_vulpes: ain't it da truf
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: lol, people have organ that makes them fart when they act like idiots
TheNewDeal: Universe would be too logical if a foul fecal odour were emitted in proportion to the idiocy of a statement emitted by a person
ben_vulpes: <trinque> #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no? << key word - "eventually"
mircea_popescu: smell, universally, like rotten brains in the sun.
mircea_popescu: yeah. but that's what i'm saying.
mike_c: it does smell to some.
mircea_popescu: moar like, "welcome to we also use windows, because stupidity doesn't stink, nor hurt."
mike_c: i believe it. welcome to life under a thumb.
mircea_popescu: mike_c amusingly enough, it's exactly the same process (dressed in different words) that your average romanian inkeep uses to keep the average romanian wench working under the table.
mike_c: certainly. just saying, that's how they avoid granting them on day 1 of employment.
ben_vulpes: at least they're serious about not trying to recruit the "best! brightest!"
thestringpuller: there has to be like 1
mircea_popescu: mike_c ben_vulpes it's a thoroughly broken, dysfunctional and nonsensical model, andja know it.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: d00d, there are 0 ride or die niggas in Argentina?
ben_vulpes: oh the board doesn't have their shit together with regards to the employee pool?
mike_c: the company has to do a 409a valuation to set the price
mike_c: ben_vulpes: option grants must be approved by the board.
mircea_popescu: you can't find five argentines to rob a bank with, let alone do actual work.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to instruct here.
mircea_popescu: until they don't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even the problem. the problem is that argentina has no school, and so either it uses us educated iditos, or else what, get the russians in ?
ben_vulpes: i suppose you people also don't ask to see the cap table, and when told "that's privileged" don't turn around and walk out.
asciilifeform: unfortunate thing is that new spy agencies tend to get made from rubble of the immediate predecessor, and never from whole cloth