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thestringpuller: "The world doesn't need millions of copies of the blockchain. 10,000 copies is probably enough." << the pseudo-arguments just get funnier and funnier
thestringpuller: just need to wait from some kid to die from doing something they saw on reddit
thestringpuller: i thought it was funny. i laugh at beavis and butthead. reddit is pretty much that.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Who's actually arguing this? The Romanian camel dude?"
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mircea_popescu: practical. "i want the chip designs for the original symbolics. i want pictures of malia obama eating out sasha obama. i want the average bra size of us uniforms"
asciilifeform: i'll elaborate re: above: 'directorate xxx was unable to break rsa despite five quadrillion bezzlars blown in five years' is only mildly interesting because directorate yyy might have a functioning voodoo doll from whose arsehole keys drip on demand. etc.
pete_dushenski: lol this cult is the best choir though
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski tell em not me :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again, wanting for the sake of wanting is no gooid. you gotta want something. ☟︎
assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( http://bit.ly/1APULYf )
asciilifeform: the truly interesting leaks would be the 'great mysteries' cited in http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1323 - but the boojum lies in the total impossibility of authenticating any such leak.
pete_dushenski: "On the 1st of October 2014 we invested ฿1 in the house bank of the top 9 bitcoin gambling investments sites"
mircea_popescu: so far the biggest problem anon suffers from is that it doesn't really know what to get.
mircea_popescu: you never know what the next bundle of leaks includes, or who's a reader.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by the way, for what it's worth you should probably make a complete wish list and publish it.
asciilifeform: (to any 'symbolics' fans: my investigations suggest - but do not prove! that the rights to the assets were purchased, several years ago, by an nsa shill corp. for somewhere south of 5m usd.)
asciilifeform: as in, willing to bleed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen. wanting for the sake of want is not enough. you gotta want something.
mircea_popescu: dude what is this thing, everyone can make sites nobody can keep them online.
asciilifeform: it's in gnarly, stinking cpp, similar to bitcoind...
asciilifeform: foxy force five chicks << the funny part is that very little would change re: the situation of 'ida' if the author published his sources tomorrow.
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cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/02/germany-austrias-project-bitcrime/ ;;rate -10000 scoopbot lazy, doesn't come around these parts much anymore
asciilifeform in his judgement does not believe it to be 'obsolete' in the normal sense of the word.
mircea_popescu: not entirely clear to me who cares about an obsolete chip design, but hey.
asciilifeform: ^ used to be 'symbolics.com' - oldest registered .com - in fact. but dks sold it to spammers (yes) to pay bills a few yrs ago.
mircea_popescu: well, so you can have them post-usg
asciilifeform: as far as i remember the conversation, that's the part that stuck with me.
asciilifeform: as an experiment, i spoke to dave schmidt (actual person, went to his house, bought an ancient machine.) pleasant old man. and asked re: buying docs. he claimed that he was not at liberty to sell, at any price, due to pacts with usg.
mircea_popescu: hey, any foxy force five chicks in the audience : there's a job to bust into the liege offices of a tiny firm and steal source code. catsuit optional. get in touch.
asciilifeform: the symbolics sources in the usual sense (of lisp) are largely on 'pirate bay'. but they are quite useless without the chip design.
asciilifeform: i happen to know with fair degree of certainty that the number one buyer of 'ida' is usg.
asciilifeform: 'dog in the manger'
mircea_popescu: where's that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gonna bet that it'll end up in the same place as symbolics sources
mircea_popescu: so at some point the corp's gonna go bankrupt and you can buy the code then
asciilifeform: referring here to instances where microshit sources leaked ?
mircea_popescu: true, this.
asciilifeform: have to be a fanatical scholar of winblowsism.
asciilifeform: somewhat tangentially, it was never at all likely that a thing like 'ida' would be produced by anyone other than a thinking man who happens to be a hardcore winblows user.
asciilifeform: the tradition of parasitizing on foreign devs for virtually all needs - continued
mircea_popescu: basically the problem is negative incentives. lots of money to be made from windows holes.
asciilifeform: by the time it became practical to keep a unix box at home in ru, most of the 'candidates' for this were already enjoying the rewards of writing elaborate winblows crapware, etc.
pete_dushenski: latin america has really only imitated the us to the extent that they've been forced to
asciilifeform: instantly - msdos and then winblows
asciilifeform: when native, and then imported ibm pc compatibles appeard
asciilifeform: but all the native pdp clones, their unixen, etc. were sent to the dump
pete_dushenski: romania too afaik
mircea_popescu: not the other way around.
mircea_popescu: odd that foss got a lot further in latin america.
pete_dushenski: same as concrete highways to nowhere
mircea_popescu: no dude seriously contemplates telling parents / prospect / parents of prosepct that "he contributes to wikipedia"
pete_dushenski: i think it's the "it worked for the us" thing again
mircea_popescu: i suppose the problem is that the us is fully aspirational, whereas the ru world a lot more practical.
mircea_popescu: but that's not really what's deriving it.
asciilifeform: because on no account did anyone there remotely contemplate paying for software
asciilifeform: my understanding is that ru, cn folks, by and large, never gave even a basic fuck re: open source whatever, until very recently and still insignificantly
asciilifeform: why orcs tend to write, think, live, breathe in winblows, is worthy of its own thread.
asciilifeform: as a usg appendage, it is for the furnace.
mircea_popescu: yeah why the fucxk did the guy write it in win anywa
asciilifeform: winblows is axiomatically not part of any future 'best that can be had' that i'm willing to interoperate with.
mircea_popescu: ie, that's the best that can be had.
mircea_popescu: it may be the case that the maxima is fine.
asciilifeform: the part i was trying to answer was 'why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima'
asciilifeform: dwarfs most of the projects we've discussed here in the sheer intrinsic gnarliness.
mircea_popescu: and you're right in pointing out that ida is probably a thing to rewrite, alongside gpg, etc
pete_dushenski: turtle swimming through the stars...
asciilifeform: it's one of the elephants/tortoises on which the entire thing shakily stands.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i understand that part.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try to realize that to the extent reverse-engineered drivers exist for various things, the entire undertaking stands - and falls - on w4r3z 'ida pro' as much as on leaked/stolen docs
pete_dushenski: just my reading between the lines
mircea_popescu: but i can see his point. waste of time to go into the guts of windows.
pete_dushenski: and would probably even endeavour to make it so if "only had the time"
mircea_popescu: why do you wanna go in locales you don't like the maxima.
mircea_popescu: so then sit in your locale and be happy
mircea_popescu: so then.
mircea_popescu: pick two.
mircea_popescu: this can't be a problem. it's like mp's triangle : x sucks , no competition, anyone cares.
asciilifeform: because the hero is not yet born.
mircea_popescu: but i mean the problem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the proggy is a misery to use; works very half-heartedly anywhere other than winblows; costs $maxint; and, more direly, is not especially actively maintained. but there is nothing remotely like an alternative, not even a 'distant second', nor is anyone (afaik) remotely contemplating the idea of making one.
mircea_popescu: explain it to me.
mircea_popescu: i fail to see how it is a problem.
asciilifeform: but it's a problem, and anyone even casually involved in the field (of named example) is aware of it
mircea_popescu: moreover, this "follow effects bs" is what leads one to "property is theft"
asciilifeform: not that there is really any pill against this kind of thing
mircea_popescu: yeah. that's what's supposed to happen.
pete_dushenski: not like ilfak is lobbying the state
asciilifeform: 'coca colas' with no 'pepsis' at their heels tend to grow stupider
mircea_popescu: this is good and proper natural-ness. things as they should be.
mircea_popescu: THIS monopoly is more like, i'm the only kid that washes.
asciilifeform: it's a genuine monopoly, vs. usg derpopoly. as in, there is literally nothing that is fit to so much as lick the product's boots
mircea_popescu: well, normally monopoly is like this : i hire five ex convicts to beat up any boy that stands up, thus leaving me the only eligible teenager i nthe highschool. because no girl wants to fuck any of the other losers.
asciilifeform: (he and his sales derps are notoriously hard to get a hold of. one of the smallest - moneywise - and simultaneously ill-behaved monopolies i know of!)
asciilifeform: best theory
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all the good agents are busy hunting for ilfak guilfanov, they wanna find new version of 'ida pro'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform am i hiding all the good nsa agents somewhere too ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: that video was quite literally one of that saddest things i've seen in months