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ascii_field: but some - presumably interesting - only copy of xxxx
that is now lost
ascii_field: folks who mention 'alexandria' aren't usually objecting
to burning books per se
mircea_popescu: meh i canbt find it. anyway, it was yet another of
the "bitcoin has failed" but
this one was because "greed made it not applaud gavin"
gabriel_laddel: what,
the burning of
the great library of Alexandria was just a blip?
mircea_popescu: to illustrate what i mean, here's a quote from
the mooks in question :
gabriel_laddel: On
that
timescale, sure. when it comes down
to Schwartz and Stan having years of
their lives wasted...
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i specifically dispute
the stance
that we're
trying "again". it's still
the same one
try, and it's still going oin magnificently.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, "Did
the writer not know
that
the use of
the
term "the real world" is usually interpreted as a symptom of rabid anti-intellectualism, or did he not mind? "
gabriel_laddel: "You don't need
to
take my proposal seriously because it is so ridiculous
that I am obviously completely out of
touch with
the real world. But
that kite won't fly, for I know
the real world only
too well:
the problems of
the real world are primarily
those you are left with when you refuse
to apply
their effective solutions. So, let us
try again."
gabriel_laddel: I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quite a long
time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used
to
that and
they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is
to make you feel guilty."
gabriel_laddel: "So, if I look into my foggy crystal ball at
the future of computing science education, I overwhelmingly see
the depressing picture of "Business as usual".
The universities will continue
to lack
the courage
to
teach hard science,
they will continue
to misguide
the students, and each next stage of infantilization of
the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress.
ascii_field: the actual field of comp sci was annihilated more
thoroughly
than anything
the lysenkoists did
to soviet biology
mircea_popescu: need an expert
to buy a
ticket, and for
this discouragement of air
travel we can be grateful" << my exact brand of ecology,
mircea_popescu: "Academic computing science is doing fine,
thank you, and unless I am
totally mistaken, it will have a profound influence. I am not referring
to
the changes
that result from computers in
their capacity of
tools. Okay,
the equipment opens new opportunities for
the entertainment industry, but who cares about
that anyhow.
The equipment has enabled
the airline industry
to make its rates so complicated and volatile
that you
mircea_popescu: ly by
the donation of equipment
that had better be ignored."
mircea_popescu: "Under current circumstances I would not even attempt
to promote co-operation between
the academic and
the industrial worlds, because it seems pointless and dangerous. I have come
to
the conclusion
that, industrial management being what it is, it is extremely unlikely
that computing science can save
the computing industry. Conversely,
the computer industry can severely damage computing science; it does so quite regular
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ascii_field: but
that's not 'hurry' per se,
that's democraretardation
mircea_popescu: besides
the point.
that's what being in a hurry looks like. "omfg, i wonder if
there are many people following me", said
that blair deffective while walking
towards
the elephant rifle in hand
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
there are always plenty of crumbs scattered around for
the man carrying a large enough hammer.
ascii_field: works great for now, while
there are plentiful crumbs scattered around.
mircea_popescu: well
the advantage is
that people can
take all
the
time
they need.
gabriel_laddel: Yep. It
takes a while for people
to figure
this out
though - especially when
there are
the remnants of actual intellects (von n., ulam) hanging around.
mircea_popescu: find your own crumbs.
that way a) we're stronger and b)
there's no "income"
tax.
mircea_popescu: versity scientists should co-operate more in order
to become more competitive..... Bureaucracies are in favour of
teamwork because a few groups are easier
to control
than a large number of rugged individuals."
mircea_popescu: "In
the wake of
the Cultural Revolution and now of
the recession I observe a mounting pressure
to co-operate and
to promote "teamwork". For its anti-individualistic streak, such a drive is of course highly suspect; some people may not be so sensitive
to it, but having seen
the Hitlerjugend in action suffices for
the rest of your life
to be very wary of "team spirit". Very. I have even read one
text
that argued
that uni
ascii_field: this is quite reminiscent of
the elektromobile
thing, imho
gabriel_laddel: ;; google Henry Kissinger "the battles are so vicious because
the stakes are so small"
mircea_popescu: it mixes
two
things
that can't be in
the same sentence.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: point being
that it's much easier
to honestly work
towards some useful end when not fighting over crumbs
mircea_popescu: how exactly
they do it is really no-one's problem unless
they start doing particular
things.
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ascii_field: but electromobile's energy doesn't come from
the gods
ascii_field: it is deceptively easy
to avoid
the problems of usg academia if you aren't
trying
to deal with
the question of how folks are
to eat. just like it is very easy for an electromobile
to 'not pollute' - superficially - because it lacks a
tailpipe
mircea_popescu: ;;google
trilema how
the wot is attacked how
the wot defends itself
mircea_popescu: why we don't want
to all apply
the same scoring criteria for people ?
mircea_popescu: re
the entire discussion about "standardization" and how it's bad
mircea_popescu: even
the fact
that "firmly under scamzor control" shows
that it's not a wot.
ascii_field: the basic cockroach in
the soup is
that
traditional academia fights for usg
table scraps
mircea_popescu: imagine
the concept of "x is
tenured for a1, ak but not for ak+1 an faculty members" ?
mircea_popescu: and it does fucking vote. what do you
think "peer review" and "tenure comissions" are ?
mircea_popescu: the value of a node depends on
the path you
take
to it.
mircea_popescu: in
the most important manner : it's summable. a graph is not.
ascii_field: precisely. ergo,
to 'respectable academia', schwartz never happened
mircea_popescu: cultural diversity actually possible, for likle...
the first
time ever.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: except
that
they -have- a wot. just, firmly under sc4mz0r control.
gabriel_laddel: I've been having fantasies about WoT for academic matters.
The ability
to
turn off an entire viewpoint in a graph-traversal. Ah.
ascii_field: he
thought
that university could become a fortress against dark age
mircea_popescu: "
The external pressures
to do
the wrong
thing are enormous, but yielding
to
them would be fatal for
the academic enterprise, while resisting
the pressure reinforces its strengths.
The pressures are, in fact, so strong
that I do not know a university where
there is not some faculty or some department
that has yielded, but
there should be no mercy for snake oil pedlars on campus."
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel for
the sake of argument, can you identify an university
that closer adheres
to dijk's ideas set forth in your 2nd url
than b-a ?
danielpbarron: ok apparently my computer has been dumping
to /var/log/messages nonstop since my install and is now 21 gigs
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Maybe like
thestringpuller's it is missing << pete_dushenski: I
think
that got fixed.
tumblr is lik dumb.
danielpbarron: ascii_field, when should something show up in /dev ? when i plug
the usb
thing in? or when
the povo
turns on?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I remember
that a while ago you mentioned you lectured at local universities. Was
this in Romania aor Argentina?
mircea_popescu: well anyway. when a bunch of idiots decide
to make "their own exchange" and pretend like it has
to do with bitcoin, it gets laughed at in b-a and goes away in about 18 months.
mats: i don't recognize any names on
their about page
mircea_popescu: another exchange
that loves making
total fucking asses of
themselves,
that's for sure. any of
the old idiots involved ? rosenfeld ? kenna ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Yep. Aggressive intelligence frightens
the luddites(?) who have
temporarily
taken over.
mats: idk. another exchange
that loves bootstrap from what i see.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: if you're interested in
the eotvos
thing, absolutely must read
the old
threads here
mircea_popescu: mats it doesn't even load on my system, so
there is
that.
mats: mircea_popescu:
their reading comprehension is awful if
they went and wrote
this piece afterwards
mircea_popescu: "o look, we're stupid
therefore carnot cycle doesn't exist"
mats: " When an indivdual wants
to buy or sell any sizable amount of Bitcoin,
they need
to interface with a Bitcoin retailer like Harborly or an exchange likeBitstamp, all of whom adhere
to extensive KYC (Know Your Customer) policies." whats OTC?
mats: " Currently, for pure Bitcoin
to Bitcoin
transactions,
there are multiple ways
todiscover
the location and identity of
the individual in question." IPs are not locations
ascii_field: ^
the piece of shit who has
to die for
there being any chance of al's experiment being run in
the english world
thestringpuller: when you go
to checkout, if you are using internet explorer,
they charge you an IE
tax
to encourage people not
to use it.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: schwartz actually experimented with cleaning it up and submitting as proper latexed paper
to journals