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mircea_popescu: i guess mike gets it at 275,
there being no average o.O
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mircea_popescu: dude pete_dushenski's cruizin' all over
the world, buyin' cars and shit, but not conference ?!
mircea_popescu: <decimation>
the amusing bit is
that folks
think
they are
trading in a 'free market', but
then actually act like
they are scared government lackeys << quite!
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I
think
there might be some of
that, but I also doubt
that britian's 'good men' could get much done
trapped in
the crazy monkey house of a modern us bureaucracy << no, but
they wouldn't be, see ?
that's
the very definition. "good men" is, obama comes and derps,
they point and laugh, obama calls
the national guard,
they shoot it dead.
decimation: mircea_popescu: re: old parts < yeah, especially since
this particular shop specialized in making 'flyable' aircraft
decimation: meanwhile
the surrounding seas were littered with shipwrecks
pete_dushenski: i went on a cruise of se asia in 2002 when
the post-9/11 deals made it... affordable.
decimation: turns out,
this is a private peninsula of hati, wholly owned by royal caribbean. since it would be far
too dangerous for
the locals
to serve up
the vittles,
the entire crew disembarked
to operate
the various bars and amusements on
the 'beach'
mircea_popescu: <decimation>
the end result has maybe 30% 'original' parts << old men don't want
the original parts of
their wife,
they just want a construct
that looks like
the wife did, in 72.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu sorta
the best way
to not get anally gaped by mech/beautician.
decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah but 'real places' generally cost $$$, which is why cruises avoid
them
pete_dushenski: decimation sounds like a normal cruise experience ! some islands are built up exclusively for
tourists, but in real cities, whether shanghai or split, you can at least walk for a few hours in one direction and still have room
to explore
decimation: apparently 'herbivores' are more
than happy
to eat little packages marked 'free protein'
decimation: mircea_popescu:
http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/news/press/ontape.htm " When she first recorded a deer eating nestlings, she wondered if
they would eat eggs,
too. She incorporated
the help of a captive deer at
the research center
to find out. "We presented it [captive deer] with a few quail eggs -- just
to see what it would do -- and it munched
them right up."
mircea_popescu: just like a woman had
to have relations with beauticians.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> or cultivate a relationship with an actual machine shop <<
this is how itworked in
the 80s
too lol. a guy had
to have relatiuons with mechanics.
pete_dushenski: mostly, yes, but it depends both on
the size of
the ship and where
the ports are.
decimation: and
the food was mediocre in quality, but great in quantity
decimation: yeah I did
that once,
the scant few hours at port makes it difficult
to see anything other
than
the usual
tourist garbage
pete_dushenski: if i'm going
to do
that
to myself, i'll hop on a cruise ship
pete_dushenski: not until one of
them makes food
that isn't better used on livestock
decimation: pete_dushenski: I presume you aren't going
to one of
those 'all-inclusive' resorts populated by
the usian middle class?
pete_dushenski: feel free
to pgp-gram or ;;later
tell if you've been
to
the home of usain bolt and.... other fast runners.
pete_dushenski: "because history never happened and
things are different now"
decimation: the idea
that anyone could 'consider
the implications' of whatever decision
they make in
the matter of bank interest rates, money supply, etc is pretty lulzy
decimation: well,
the other part of
this issue is
that
the fed isn't
tinkering alone, you also have
the euros doing what
they do
pete_dushenski: it seems
to me
that, at
this point certainly,
there's more general fear when
there *isn't*
tinkering
decimation: well, when you are
trading on
the wholly-owned 'usd-coin' platform, it's easy
to be scared when usg decides
to
tinker with various model parameters mid-flight
decimation: the amusing bit is
that folks
think
they are
trading in a 'free market', but
then actually act like
they are scared government lackeys
pete_dushenski: to
the extent
that
they don't have
to,
that no one is holding a gun
to
their head and
they aren't starving, why bother ?
decimation: yes. for instance,
the fact
that
the bond market in
the us freaked out because a semi-good jobs report might imply
that
the fed might begin 'targeting' higher rates
pete_dushenski: so americans support welfare and free shit, so no one bothers
to get up for work.
pete_dushenski: sure, i'm not saying it's entirely
the fault of
the men in
the context of
their work, but it is
their fault in
the context of
the systems of governance
they support
decimation: I
think
there might be some of
that, but I also doubt
that britian's 'good men' could get much done
trapped in
the crazy monkey house of a modern us bureaucracy
pete_dushenski: no men of morals left in
the states, work gets shipped abroad
pete_dushenski: unless of course
this is a case of, like mp's observation on
the decline of
the british empire,
there being no good men left
to do what has
to be done
decimation: boeing is in
the business of being various state's bitch
decimation: pete_dushenski: yeah
that's why I put
the scare quotes :)
decimation: ben_vulpes: yes, and granted many of
these parts had complex curve shapes
ben_vulpes: <decimation> I asked 'why don't you just use a cnc mill
to shape
the parts'.
the answer: 1.)
they apparently don't 'do' computers and 2.)
the aircraft were all half-ass made
to
the blueprints anyway, often with 'by hand' adjustments << uh yeah
that's how hand machining worked
decimation: pete_dushenski: it's hard for
the 'capitalists'
to refuse china's offer
to 100% subsidize
their manufacturing business
pete_dushenski: there's much
to be said for controlling your supply chain and having it in your backyard/garage/basement
pete_dushenski: and
today boeing outsources its parts
to asia and... gets fucked.
decimation: I asked 'why don't you just use a cnc mill
to shape
the parts'.
the answer: 1.)
they apparently don't 'do' computers and 2.)
the aircraft were all half-ass made
to
the blueprints anyway, often with 'by hand' adjustments
decimation: interestingly, for
the aircraft
they pound out
the frame using hammer press machines
pete_dushenski: there are barn-find ferrari *shells*
that go for millions
decimation: old men pay
top dollar for
these
things, some of which were found as a wreck in
the jungle.
the end result has maybe 30% 'original' parts
decimation: I recently
toured a 'restoration' shop where
they rebuild wrecks from wwii
pete_dushenski: for usians, authentic parts are available, if expensive or just plain hard
to find
pete_dushenski: and cubans could desire authenticity all
they want and it still won't happen
pete_dushenski: original or hand-made, either or a combination of
the
two are desirable.
decimation: asciilifeform:
the
thing
that gets me, is
that what percentage of
the 'car' was actually original?
pete_dushenski: well, old men have little else
to occupy
themselves with so
they're always in search of projects
pete_dushenski: ya, jeremy has/had one, often whined
that new window switches were $5k or something
decimation: pete_dushenski: did you see
the
top gear where
they review
the 'dictator class' mercs?
pete_dushenski: looking forward
to finding a story worth exploring
therein
mircea_popescu: such a perfect mirror for
the peak of l'aile ou la cuisse
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'm guessing
that's 'daddy' and not 'daniel' ;)