asciilifeform: ( since mircea_popescu seems to be sleeping i'ma have to run the emulator : 'it's because they are part of my Adult World, not this stinking kindergarten' )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not to mention eulora, trilema, somehow seem to run..
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that was the openproblem that produced the thread which ultimately turned into mp's-hash etc
asciilifeform: ( if someone believes this equation to contain a mistake -- i would like to hear about it asap )
asciilifeform: the rough measure appears to be, if l1 is good for 0.5 btc / mo. ( at the current rate) -- bisp runs. if rate loses a 0 -- it turns into 5. if grows a 0 -- becomes 0.05 .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: could be enuff. depending on what people are willing to pay.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: dare i ask if you have a theory of how a bisp could stay in the black without taking heathen coin ?
asciilifeform: l1 appears good for a certain amount of raw verticalspace rental. but not the 0.5btc's worth (at current usd rate) required to keep op in the black
asciilifeform: as far as i can see, there is a shortage of heathens who have any btc to spend to begin with. (much less who want to spend it on a vps)☟︎
asciilifeform: it is not clear to me that 'vps marketed to heathens, for btc' is a viable model. but then again i am not business wizard, possibly someone with mp-level brain could have done this
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there's two problems , 'technical' and 'business'. technical is solvable. the part that bites, is the 'business'
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform is able to supply (a) . problem is (b)
asciilifeform: otherwise , think, would have already been there, and BingoBoingo would not have had the grenade to fall on to begin with.
asciilifeform unfortunately is not in a position to relocate to unterraformed shithole .
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for sake of argument -- suppose i were to take your place. i would then have exactly same problem.
asciilifeform thickens the weights in his mircea_popescutronic neuralnetwork, it hath done well
asciilifeform: somehow i knew mircea_popescu would say this!
asciilifeform: seems to me like mircea_popescu described an ideal miser, who hoards forever 'for later' and dies on a mattress fulla benjies, rather than 'neet' redditus
asciilifeform: seems like fish is what they dun have over at this-here fish counter.
asciilifeform: 'On 10 June 2014, LACNIC announced that it had reached one /10 block of remaining addresses and IPv4 can now be considered exhausted in its service region. LACNIC will continue to distribute IPv4 addresses, but at a greatly reduced rate according to policies developed by the LACNIC community.'
asciilifeform: let's also mention for completeness the cost-competitive alternative to vps : the use of miniature machines ( e.g. apu1 ) . but this involves manual shuffling on the part of hands ( BingoBoingo ) for every new customer.☟︎
asciilifeform: i for instance do not buy vps. and so not in a position to say who does, or how to persuade'em to part with precious coinz.
asciilifeform: the other item -- and asciilifeform scours the logs, and finds nuffin -- is whether BingoBoingo ( or anybody tuned in ) at any point had any concrete idea of to whom (other than l1) to market the vps product, and how.
asciilifeform: if 'what's x, and what's y, and turns out x > y' is not a rational process, than apparently i do not know what is.
asciilifeform: esp if the border monkeys decide to help themselves to some iron.
asciilifeform: simply noting that if this supposition is mistaken, it is a quite expensive 'surprise', would easily dwarf the cost of everything else summed.
asciilifeform: let's suppose this works. ( already supposed in the 'submarine' example.)
asciilifeform: fwiw i do not know the answer, and therefore assume the worst
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of the 400 that it costs among sane people, or the 6000 that it costs in monkeylandia, is the (potential) problem
asciilifeform: because it's potentially a 4, or even 5-fold markup
asciilifeform: not being able to nail down that param makes all of my engineering whiskers stand on end
asciilifeform: i do not know how the south amer monkeys do their taxation, if it's anything like how the british taxed FUCKGOATS...
asciilifeform: briefly upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-12#1783327 : it matters 'a third' ~of what~ . if it's of the 15k list price of the box when it was new ( asciilifeform would be using the type of machines previously prepared for mircea_popescu , they are THE most economical in re bux:horsepower ) then it comes to quite a sum☝︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, BingoBoingo , et al : have i missed anything obvious here ?
asciilifeform: ( to power the system with said btc, at the very minimum BingoBoingo will need bank acct , but this is possibly yet another subthread )
asciilifeform: so upstack : to keep the system floating, the client base would ( at current heathenbux rate ) have to supply no less than half a btc per mo of revenue
asciilifeform: 12 incidentally is arbitrary number, they could just as readily be installed 'on-demand', N machines at a time (where N is determined by the type of transportation used)
asciilifeform: right, mircea_popescu even already commissioned 3, they are right here
asciilifeform: let's suppose for gedankenexperiment that i could borrow mircea_popescu's nazi submarine and ship'em in duty-free. that still leaves 12*1600 == 19200 heathenbuxxorz for basic vps ( rented, presumably , to heathens, who will somehow agree to part with coin? but this is separate thread..)
asciilifeform: now the cost of filling 12 rack slots with as much cpu horse as they can hold, (using asciilifeform's method, rather than mircea_popescu's, if not clear from context) would be such : 32 cores of opteron @ 3GHz, 256GB ram, 1TB durable ssd, comes to 1600 per 1U machine; no more than 4 machines can travel in a cargo carried by a 1300 two-way ticket
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo himself costs 311(desk) + 350(hostel) + 600(food) per mo; his rack : 2834.06 ; total ~4096 (nice an' round!11) to stay above waterline ( all units above in heathenbux )
asciilifeform back from the calculation mines, and regrets to inform that he does not have the juice with which to power a year of BingoBoingotron , and will not be submitting bid, unless someone l1 ( phf? ) were to want to co-own.
asciilifeform is not asleep, but in fact still calculating whether he has enuff fuel to take, theoretically, BingoBoingo's rocket to orbit, or only to make larger crater on the ground ☟︎☟︎
