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BingoBoingo: The devil only knows which BSD Cisco corrupted into IOS or
that MS uses as
the Windows network stack anymore
BingoBoingo: When it comes
to adopting pieces of various BSD's
though enumeration gets really messy. OSuX brings in a lot of FreeBSD stuff. Google Android uses OpenBSD's libc with a special compile flag google requested.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo no strategist at
the
top.
they got mostly marketing people
these days. << Don't forget
the Inertia people behind "Office"
mircea_popescu: mostly a function of
the methodology, considering how
tiny
the sample is.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but anyway, fwiw fbsd/obsd/nbsd seem
to enjoy
this 4:2:1 quadratic. << positions in
the quadratic shift rather swiftly.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no strategist at
the
top.
they got mostly marketing people
these days.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, fwiw fbsd/obsd/nbsd seem
to enjoy
this 4:2:1 quadratic.
BingoBoingo: I'm honestly surprised with
the Azure and cloud
thing MicroShaft hasn't forked a BSD
to revive
the Xenix brand
mircea_popescu: more windows3.1 running browsers
than all bds's combined.
BingoBoingo: I've got it
to run a couple
times. Once on ancient hardware.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's something I've come
to recently. Surprised it isn't
the offical Social Justice OS. When I first played with Open Source at a summer job in 2004 I grew an immediate dislike because it didn't work as expected on maximally vanilla hardware at
the summer job.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how personally particular
this impression is.
funkenstein_: ok i want
to learn about deedbot I will check
that out
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo
the NetBSD
team sounds like a bunch of fucktards i would never wish
to have anything
to do with.
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> hmm whats
the proper way
to register an address with assbot wot << Prolly whatever
the latest incarnation of
the Deedbot idea is.
mircea_popescu: you could make a deed for deedbot- if you wish
to record a signed message ?
funkenstein_: hmm whats
the proper way
to register an address with assbot wot
BingoBoingo: <cazalla> are you it's not just because athlon's were
the cool
thing
to have back
then? :P << I didn't know AMD existed until later... I am rather but not entirely sure I recall correctly
BingoBoingo: cazalla:
This was still If I recall correctly some
time before I bought a wagon full of B&W Macs at $10 a pop
cazalla: are you it's not just because athlon's were
the cool
thing
to have back
then? :P
BingoBoingo: cazalla> <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose
that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at
that
time
trhat i moved
to amd <<< and so i ask
that whatever problems
there are with intel, why is AMD not affected? << My Beef was Intel imagineered
this shit first
mircea_popescu: i am not proposing it as normative, we were just sharing
tales from youth.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> my boggle was related
to
the "you have done work, but we don't like your style of clothing, you're fired". << AH
mircea_popescu: my boggle was related
to
the "you have done work, but we don't like your style of clothing, you're fired".
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose
that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at
that
time
trhat i moved
to amd <<< and so i ask
that whatever problems
there are with intel, why is AMD not affected?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> dude...
this shit. i simply fail
to comprehend how
this works. << At
the
time
there were
two BSD source branches of note. Derp(free)BSD swiftly went off
the rails. Herp(Net)BSD aknowledged
the non-i386 world. Either way
to even read
the "Open" source you needed an in.
Theo's WoT allowed him
to read Herp.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> "politics is a waste of
time" is
the sister idiocy
to "i don't feel math is useful for real life". << Seriously, shares most of
the same stakes as war, but minus bloodshed
assbot: Pack of hounds attack Chinese man's car after he kicks sleeping dog - Asia - World -
The Independent ... (
http://bit.ly/18NHSS0 )
mircea_popescu: "politics is a waste of
time" is
the sister idiocy
to "i don't feel math is useful for real life".
BingoBoingo: And yet Open Source is
the most political
thing
this millenium:
That's good. Frankly, neither do we, nor have we ever. Politics is a waste of
time, for
the most part.
mircea_popescu: why would anyone a) wish
to do any work for
these folks or b) hold
title issued by
them in any regard ? it's nil.
mircea_popescu: so... you own a
team, which you paid for, but we will revoke
the
title because you said nigger.
mircea_popescu: dude...
this shit. i simply fail
to comprehend how
this works.
mircea_popescu: "We regret having
to do
this, because you have done a significant amount of very good work for
the project. In spite of
that, we can no longer condone your behaviour."
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ kay, so : post a btc address, i'll send you a btc, buy logs at 333 per. should get you 300k or so. you can hold on
to
them for me.
BingoBoingo: 1990's NetBSD seems almost
the canonical example of a poor heirarchy hindering an Open Source effort
funkenstein_: i'd be interested
to hear
that argument. my evidence is simply
the number of people who have learned it.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yes but it is nice
to read
the emails and have names Hero Adam Glass quit NetBSD because he couldn't
take
Theo being shitgnomed in
the name of politeness. Chris G Demetriou was
the avatar of politeness who contacted
theo on
the importance of avoiding STFU in
the name of adoption
funkenstein_: hardly. I spent some
time
there
though, can get around.
mircea_popescu: basically, de radt got rhodesia'd out of bsd.
this is coherent with
the summary i recall.
mircea_popescu: "Finally, it is clear
that for
the project
to be a success, we must promote a positive environment for both users and developers. If we continue
to allow you, an official representative of
the NetBSD project,
to behave in
this manner, we create
the perception
that we approve of your behaviour.
That perception is damaging
to
the project and cannot be allowed
to persist."
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_:
This was from back when
Theo was a serf attached
to a project some derps forked off of 4.4BSD lite, and
the only alternative was
the still less functional FreeBSD fork.
mircea_popescu: so a bitcoin buys me you say 100k or so out of
the 28mn
total, 6mn current ?
funkenstein_: cap is 28 million but it will
take a very long
time
to get
there ;)
mircea_popescu positively loves how much reading
teh b-a cultists are doing.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ and what's
the cap again ? or was
there a cap ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: At
the
time I just had a gut discomfort with
the idea of computing machines being distinuishable in
that way. Felt processors of
type and rating should be fungible.
funkenstein_: 02:24:04 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, yo funkenstein_ how much woodcoins does a btc buy me ? <-- a couple percent of
them all
BingoBoingo:
that you in no way annoy, ruffle,
tweak, perturb, piss off, piss on, bugger, etc., any users, developers, or potential developers of NetBSD, unless
they specifically ask you
to.
That's what got us
to
this point
to begin with, really. Do you
think you can manage _that_? I.e. are you willing
to "just say no"
to flaming people, however idiotic
they may be?
BingoBoingo: For
the record
this is
the meat of
the last message on a mailing list
to
theo before other people started resigning around him with nowhere
to go: What i am concerned about: (1) if you're going
to be working on a large portion ofthe source
tree, e.g.
the sparc port or large amounts of code outside of it, you need
to be in "reasonable
touch" with us. Do you
think
that will be difficult for you or us
to do? (2) I want
to be _sure_
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo in retrospect i suppose
that's not so easily distinguished. it was just about at
that
time
trhat i moved
to amd, and never bought intel again.
the number
thing played a part.
ben_vulpes: i began
to seriously form opinions in 2004 iirc
mircea_popescu: but it's not at all what i meant. i just meant, it's
to be expected, and as far as possible excused,
that people old enough wouldn't immediately see where
the fox is at.
funkenstein_: is
that
true? i
thought maybe it was just me being clueless before
then
mircea_popescu: but of intel for intel's own sake, as an independent
thing. not of intel for usg-intel, something intel itself could never, ever fix.
ben_vulpes: kids on
the internet pre 2001 are
the only useful ones, provided
they didn't form opinions until 2003?
BingoBoingo: I had a dislike of intel since reading about
the pentium III serial number in a magazine well before I had any computer.
mircea_popescu: people who formed
their ideas about
the world prior - be it jws or esr or anyone else, would show remarkable blindness
to
the relevant issues, which are exactly above.
mircea_popescu: and i doubt it existed
to any degree before maybe 2003 or so.
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mircea_popescu: in fairness, i suppose
the burning hatred of usg and its many agencies (such as apple)
that informs us is really a very novel
thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Loves Apple. Only cares about source being available. Hates Linux in practice. Been keeping up
the blog forever and posting rather infrequently. Almost has
to be ESR.
BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell danielpbarron Remember if you read
that archive
that Until
Theo forked OpenBSD into being
that public CVS read access wasn't a
thing anywhere yet. 1994 was a helluva year
BingoBoingo: The
trollaxorguy seems
to ape what everyone suspects
to be Mr. E. S. Raymond's id almost perfectly
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OSX fanboism since
the birth of OSuX
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's a good example of practicing
the long
troll
cazalla: mircea_popescu,
the neighbour of cousins i use
to play with often as a kid owned 2 of
them.. inevitably when playing cricket, a ball would go over
the fence and we'd have a discussion of who was going over
the fence
to get it
mircea_popescu: (We can only be glad
there is no daylight loan
time, or we would face decades of
too much daylight, only
to be faced with a few years of
total darkness
to make up for it.)
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 04:07:15; Bagels7: Hi, I am good at math. Any free career advice
to spare?
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 04:00:47;
thestringpuller: something like
that. got
them in 2013 when I recovered a Eulora post I had cached
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 03:58:03; Bagels7: yeah I figure I'll be
totally brainwashed by
the
time i have 9k credits left, it already
triggers me in a state of mind where I
think I deserve
to be abused and started
to have relationship issues
assbot: Logged on 15-03-2015 03:16:26; danielpbarron: "I would do but I don't really have
time for IRC
tbh. . and as a communication vehicle find it
too inefficient."
BingoBoingo: Everyone is sick.
There's just an incredible variety of sick people experience.
HostFat: I hope
to be better on monday