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Adlai: doesn't need much fiddling, just checksum
the federated database into a deed
danielpbarron: fiddle with it
too much and you'll end up like
the "smart contracts" people
Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed,
this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at
the latest version of
the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving
trust-minimized consensus...
bitstein: danielpbarron: why aren't you signing
the kitchen sink?
danielpbarron: if a rating is false, let
the user speak up about it
danielpbarron: bitstein,
thestringpuller why should we be signing everything but
the kitchen sink? you shouldn't use assbot's return as gospel --
the WoT lets you know who and what
to ask about a person before doing business
nubbins`: incidentally, i
tried
to sell some gold on
the forums a while back, no
takers
nubbins`: these days, you don't get
to see
the BTC price (and
thus
the exchange rate) until
the last step in
the checkout process
nubbins`: i've ordered from
them 2 or 3
times
nubbins`: have bought Au from a couple of
the above
funkenstein_: not
that I expect
the other ones
too, but just happened
to read
through some of
the coinabul complaint
threads
funkenstein_: coinabul doesn't acutally ship anything
though
nubbins`: plenty of places
to buy gold w/ btc
funkenstein_: maybe gold is kind of like btc in 2010 when
there was "the bitcoin market" aka gox
funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works
towards being "less manipulated".
funkenstein_: "The gold market marched into
the 21st century Friday with
the launch of a new electronic platform designed
to make
the daily market price benchmark less vulnerable
to manipulation."
nubbins`: thestringpuller i know,
the keylogger sees all
thestringpuller: nubbins`: doesn't cache
their passphrase << i change my passphrase every
time I use my key. /tinfoil hat
nubbins`: because
the NSA sort room at
the mail facility is scanning
the send address instead of
the return address, or something.
nubbins`: no,
that doesn't happen anymore since cisco started drop-shipping
to abandoned houses
Adlai: vs
trusting
that
their fourthhand lemon laptop didn't get interceptiddled in
the mail
nubbins`: <+Adlai> and
trusting
that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible
to random passersby <<< vs
trusting
that
their pgp implementation doesn't cache
their passphrase 8)
bitstein: Sweet, I look forward
to
that.
bitstein: Adlai,
thanks, was looking for
that.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 01:46:55; nanotube: <nanotube> hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just
to give you a quick preview, i'm
thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like
this:
http://bitcoin-otc.com/newsite/rate.php thestringpuller: bitstein: yes we know
there isn't a federated system yet :P
bitstein: That just allows
the server
to know it is
talking
to who it
thinks it is
talking
to, but it doesn't guarantee
the server hasn't fabricated data.
Adlai: and
trusting
that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible
to random passersby
thestringpuller: bitstein: I do
think nanotube 's federated WoT requires GPG signature for ratings.
Adlai: and
then
trusting
that assbot/gribble is requiring
the same of everybody else
bitstein: Is
there a reason WoT ratings are not required
to be GPG signed?
nubbins`: tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose
to name
their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in
the 90s.
nubbins`: i left
that life behind me long ago and i don't know what just happened
nubbins`: (given
that free advice can only cost $0,
the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes
the set from being a field, which means
that division by zero is not required
to be undefined, which means
that your assertion
that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially,
true)
Adlai: some would maintain
that it's infinitely more valuable
than its price
nubbins`: Adlai "20x raise" generally makes people VERY suspicious as
to
the absolute value of your starting salary
Adlai back when he worked in a preseed startup used
to joke
that he got a 20x raise each week and a 25% monthly bonus
nubbins`: please
tell me
that
this isn't
the case, and if it is, please
tell me
that you're not just upset at your girlfriend because she called you a moron for making
this decision
nubbins`: <trinque> increase my income by 20x, girl is utterly intimidated, <<< i have
to ask, are you quitting your job in order
to sell CMS software
to restaurants?
danielpbarron: the slower node spams its debug.log with lines
that have nothing
to do with validating a block
danielpbarron: not
the most scientific experiment as I didn't start
them at
the same place or same
time, but it might be worth noting
that
the debug.log for
the solid state drive pogo is smaller
than
the other one
mircea_popescu: anyway,
the wp stuff is more of what i
thought we had discussed many
times.
punkman: myeah I've had
too much of
that WP spaghetti
Adlai: it's ok, just download
this chrome extension
that validates our javascript!
mircea_popescu: "Do have any PGP key?
Try our online PGP key generator"
mircea_popescu: on
that note, you can't say enigmail without nig mail.
mircea_popescu: punkman
theoretically. i just had nfi anyone had actually done it.
punkman: mircea_popescu: we've linked
to gpg JS implementations so many
times, I
thought
this use case was obvious
Adlai: a few darknet markets have used such a system
too, which raises
the question of why anyderpy used any of
the markets
that didn't
punkman: on
that note, Enigmail has warning message
that
they will only support gpg2 soon
mircea_popescu: still, more pgp flowing
through
the
tubes is a net gain
mircea_popescu: punkman probably cheapest approach
to diddle
the js
to encrypt
to
two keys.
transparent enough
to do, and
then get somewhere else
the msg.
Adlai: you could probably give
this audience an identical security
theater with js
that sends plaintext
punkman: if
they have
to mitm
the javascript, sure
that does raise
the cost, but is it worth
the false sense of security
mircea_popescu: technically, it's js, so
they're not
trusting
the site.
Adlai: but many people prefer
trusting random strangers over known evils
Adlai only refers people
to hanewin after explaining
that
they're just
trusting some random site, instead of google or facebook
mircea_popescu: i suppose
the communication starts with "gtfo off windoze"
punkman: the problem is how do you communicate
to derps
that
they should use actual PGP for
the "important" stuff
mircea_popescu: as in, random derp w/o gpg installed wants
to send mp stuff encrypted
to mp's key,
there's page on mp's site with javascript
Adlai always found
those somewhere between amusing and horrifying
Adlai: bitproof has an interface for 'signing' using
the mouse
Adlai: must be
the hostile ddos bot
danielpbarron: 21G .bitcoin/ << unless 0.5.3.1
takes up less space,
this is a little over half way
davout: trinque: just wanted
to see who'd actually read
the deeds :)
mircea_popescu: ;;later
tell brendafdez it should redirect you properly now
punkman: mircea_popescu: oic, btcalpha only goes back
to Oct 2012
brendafdez: Oh, suicides are also common over
there? :P
mircea_popescu: May 22 04:06:33 <`MBot>[ MPEX ] [
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brendafdez: punkman back in
the days when we still didn't have
to go
through
this amount of bureaucratic shit
to receive shipments from abroad, and when I was doing it very often,
the ones from
the UK used
to be
the fastest. I'm surprised
that your experience with
the RM has been bad.
brendafdez: yes, but sometimes it's not worth it. Having
to cross
the river
to send a letter with "an object inside"
to a recepient in Argentina would be hilarious.
That
time
they insisted letters were paper only. :D
punkman: brendafdez: I don't mind China Post
taking 4 weeks, because
they don't pretend otherwise
brendafdez: punkman I've had all kind of bad experiences with
the post, from
them stealing from a box of alfajores I was shipping abroad,
to
them refusing
to send a letter (even
though it was within weight and size limits) because "there was an object inside" (!!). Long delays is
the success scenario.
punkman: so apparently in UK, airmail means
two weeks by
truck, and overnight express, means 6+ days.
cazalla: trinque, pro
tip for free - don't get her pregnant