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bitstein: mircea_popescu:
Thanks. I'll continue reading/thinking about it.
mircea_popescu: computer is a woman. it's
the woman's job
to make loser's life insufferable.
mircea_popescu: this notion
that "any people is a people" and computer should be nice
to everyone
that
touches it is nonsense.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 17:54:27; ascii_field:
the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 17:30:36; PeterL: what I mean is
there is such a small amount bet on
the bet, you might spend more
than you would win holding
the price up. Spend
tens of btc
to win .003 btc?
artifexd: The implementation isn't
that hard. It is
the education
that is
time consuming.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:34:10; *: Adlai is fairly certain
that phuctor is written in cl
mircea_popescu: hm, he had a link with
the fixing
the lightbulb
thing. anyway.
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <artifexd> Oh, actually
that is complaining about one of
the golang
tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM
that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly.
mircea_popescu: bitstein inasmuch as you want a central repository, you're stuck with a central repository. if you look into
the design papers / discussions around gossipd,
this is also a well solved problem, just,
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:29:55; Adlai: still a little silly for
the platform bandied about as
turing-complete
to lack actual bignums
bitstein: mircea_popescu: Right, it wouldn't prevent
the server from not publishing a rating
mircea_popescu: bitstein
take otc-wot rating #14167 on pirateat40, made 2012-08-29 03:14:41. how do you know
this is current ?
bitstein: mircea_popescu: you would have
the hash of
the db
timestamped, so you can verify
that
the rating is current as of a certain point (given you have
the data
to recreate
the hash)
mircea_popescu: on
the other side of
the fence
there is
this (i suspect irrational) notion
that pumping out signed material weakens
the signer key.
jurov: bitstein, looks like you want
to reinvent
the blockchain or sidechain
bitstein: mircea_popescu: b is an important point,
thanks. As for old rather
than current ratings,
that's where shasums and deedbot could come in
to help.
mircea_popescu: note
that changing
this model for "maintain signed ratings" does not help : either of
them could show OLD rather
than current ratings, which would still be undetectable.
mircea_popescu: as pere
the entire "wot is not an oilfield with
trust as oil".
mircea_popescu: bitstein
this is
true for both of
them, currently.
this happens
to also not be a problem because a)
they could do
this once ; and b)
the way you're supposed
to use
this
tool is by asking
the raters about
their ratings.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: I am under
the impression
that if
they wanted
to, kako or nano could publish ratings under any name as
they please. Is
this correct? If so, how can someone viewing
the WoT db have certainty
that information
they see is as
the rater intended? GPG signing would be one solution.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony im sure it's so
totally going
to work like all
the previous attempts did, which is why we're here.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:05:03;
thestringpuller: when did businessinsider become gawker?
fluffypony: and if you shout it loudly enough and often enough it must be
true, amiright?
fluffypony: of going "BLOCKCHAIN
TECHNOLOGY IS IMPORTANT, BUT BITCOIN IS NOT"
mircea_popescu: lol at
the fluffypony businessoutsider link. EXCITING! may become
the new AMAZING, as a new generation of idiots moves into bitcoin scam pushing.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:28:39; nubbins`: (how? because
the yellow
tank contains black ink!)
bitstein: mircea_popescu: assbot model is much improved over gribble model.
there's no more sessions, so you're mostly battling with a solved problem
there. << doing an auth for each request is definitely an improvement, but can you elaborate on how
that solves
the problem?
mircea_popescu: god fucking help any piece of machinery
that "just says no"
mircea_popescu: like
this lazy cd rom
that wouldn't spin properly which ended up plucked out, connected straight
to power and let spin until it ground itself off.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i might be
the only
techno-enabled sociopath
that disassembled misbehaving hardware/software and let
them do X for a while, by
themselves, in
the dark.
mircea_popescu: and
the user's reaction is anything but getting a 28 inch dropforged wrench and beating it into a pulp. without grease. ?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha who
the fuck came up with
this shit. seriously, photoshop "Refuses
to open" somethng ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:07:09; Adlai:
this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed,
this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at
the latest version of
the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving
trust-minimized consensus...
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:45:54; funkenstein_:
that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works
towards being "less manipulated".
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:25:35;
thestringpuller: its up
to kako if he wants
to support it with asswot
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:44; bitstein:
That just allows
the server
to know it is
talking
to who it
thinks it is
talking
to, but it doesn't guarantee
the server hasn't fabricated data.
mircea_popescu: not like people can't do
that if
they wish, via deedbot.
mircea_popescu: well, you're stuck publishing all
this signed material in
that model.
jurov: what? everyone being able
to check rating entries independently of assbot would do
that?
mircea_popescu: jurov so
the question was more "why does assbot not implement
the drawbacks
to privacy of a strong crypto verification scheme" ?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:40; Adlai: and
trusting
that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible
to random passersby
jurov: imo
that was what was meant
jurov: does assbot store
the !v verification string?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:21:16; bitstein: Is
there a reason WoT ratings are not required
to be GPG signed?
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 21:31:49; BingoBoingo: Bitcoind (and a number of
the other 'wallets') grind balances
to dust over
time.
mircea_popescu: at which
the leader goes "Yo! Alifie! come over we got one."
mircea_popescu: listen dude, you're getting fucked whbether you want
to or not. it's a fact.
the only questrion
to you is, if you want
to do it with alifie or without.
mircea_popescu: they struggle a little, he's
taken
to
the ground, at which point
the leader of
the pack goes
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:
too late alfie. << ahahhhahaha.
The nickname is sticking!
mircea_popescu: guy walking
through street at night. suddenly, jumped by some burly dudes.
mircea_popescu: dun worry sir whiteknight, b-a brings
the best out in everyone.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:45:09; nubbins`: (given
that free advice can only cost $0,
the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes
the set from being a field, which means
that division by zero is not required
to be undefined, which means
that your assertion
that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially,
true)
mircea_popescu: (if you read
teh
trilematograph heading you prolly know i've been working on a very similar question)
mircea_popescu: originally, it was actually max hardcore i
think. after
that, it was mostly bangbros.
ascii_field: meaning, roughly speaking,
the set of conventions re: what
the heroes look like, what
they do, etc.
ascii_field: i often wonder where
the 'kabuki' of modern western porn came from
ascii_field: it doesn't get any hotter
than lovelace, imho
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you want
to
talk "women in
tech" it really starts with noether.
mats: is Merck still general counsel for
TBP?
mircea_popescu waves @ Patrick Merck, who realised all
this shit
too late and ran off
through
the wall.
mircea_popescu: (and by "too expensive
to be useful" i don't mean anything but, for every btc in gains it makes us, it gives
that
terrorist we shall not name 10
to 100 btc worth of ammo)
mircea_popescu: because whatever, i'm going
to hang
them anyway, and usg isn't going
to hang
them no matter what, so
that leaves a space in
the middle.
mircea_popescu: pretending now
that hey, "they are publishing reports". of
the new entity.
mircea_popescu: which pretty much brings us
to 2014, when
the
thing became
too expensive
to be useful, so it had
to run out of usg jurisdiction (went
to uk)
mircea_popescu: except no worthy goals were willing
to work with
them, and so moved
to "default worthy goal" = pay gavin a salary.
mircea_popescu: once got called out on
that, shed some bits (coinlab, anyone recall
that ?) and moved
to "worthy goals" (stioll not releasing any reports, because vessenes, like all clueless idiots involved,
thinks
taint is a
thing, and also
thinks i don't know his addresses, because whatever, he's magically protected by nulandine)
mircea_popescu: but no,
the
two got merged late. originally, foundation was
transparent scam
to syphon and repurpose bitcoins
to prop up "vc entreprises".
mircea_popescu: well perhaps
the discussion of which lice spawned what scorpion is not directly interesting
to engineers, being more in
the vein of politics and law. so i guess you actually have a fine aproximation.