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ascii_field: but it's still lightyears ahead of doing all the work manually
ascii_field: eventually we are probably stuck with the job of actually figuring out how buildroot works
ascii_field: nubbins`: hm. iirc there is a verbose debug option for the make. try see what it does
nubbins`: if i 'make nconfig' and enable the C++ option in there, the flag shows in .config
nubbins`: # configuration written to /home/nubs/dev/buildroot-2015.02/.config
nubbins`: ascii_field: i did make clean; make pogoplug_defconfig, but my "BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y" line from pogoplug_defconfig isn't showing up in the resultant .config
ascii_field: nubbins`: made changes to pogoplug_defconfig, they don't show up in .config << make clean; make pogoplug_defconfig; make
ascii_field: nubbins`: asciilifeform are those md5 checksums << wai wat
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell freeborn If you have the slightest inclination to use the wallet at all and you aren't using 5.7 or -current you will want to change the random function in wallet.cpp explicitly to arc4random, which has not been rc4 based in a long time. It is their good random.
nubbins`: hm, made changes to pogoplug_defconfig, they don't show up in .config
jurov: patch list page shows bogus data, it's my TODO
nubbins`: asciilifeform are those md5 checksums on the end of your patch names or what?
lobbes: jurov: oh wow. noob me was unaware of the existance of ARM processors. Yes, looking around the google this seems like it might be a good route to follow. Thanks for the tip!
ben_vulpes: this is what i get for being on irc before the stimulants hit my bloodstream
mats: ben_vulpes: not me but thanks
ben_vulpes: looks like i have no choice but to rubby up
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fluffypony: ben_vulpes: it was linked somewhere, Reddit I think
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ben_vulpes: lil benkay's mind goes frothy with applications of etched channels in rocketry and turbines
ben_vulpes: "some of the work going on over at the lab has to do with microfluidic transport systems relying on capillaries - and i mean *micro* - we etch the channels in"
ben_vulpes: a gentleman by the name of mark weislogel gave me the inspiration for the idea one year in thermofluids
jurov: lobbes there are dedis with small arm machines
lobbes: and I'm too cheap to shell out the dough for a dedi
lobbes: thanks jurov. Yeah, I feel like I'm leaning the gentoo direction. Still gotta find a good hosting provider for simpleshell though
jurov: if you're serious about simpleshell then gentoo
trinque: I have my cross compiling tooling all set up as well, and can help
mod6: sweet, thanks nubbins`
nubbins`: can take a peek at some flavor of bsd after that
nubbins`: i'm planning to fiddle with getting static bitcoind compiled w/ pogotron buildroot cross-compile toolchain
mod6: i'll see if i can do some sorcery in the next few days and get it resolved.
mod6: There's a lot of stuff on our "to-do" list, but it'd be nice to knock out some OpenBSD support before we get into doing other heavy lifting.
mod6: but all of that is easy, i just need to dig in to figure out how to get the proper configure args for openbsd -- iirc last time I tried, I tried to build a statically linked binary and then openssl compile failed. and I just got busy with the release so I havent gotten back to it yet.
mod6: so it looks like i've got 1 small tweak to the makefile, and for some reason it doesnt seem to like "DB_LOG_AUTO_REMOVE" in db.cpp and there are a few include statements needed.
nubbins`: as a wild guess, i'd say at least some of the changes in my osx instructions may apply -- most of them were just renaming syscalls and compiler flags
mod6: naw. its just a few additional include statements in a few of the source files iirc
mod6: Hopefully I'll have something figured out for that soon. And yup, updates will go to the mailing list. :]
freeborn: ok, subscribing to the list ;)
mod6: I have that part figured out, I even had mine running. but it was only a /dynamically/ linked build. The part I need to still sort out is a staically linked build.
freeborn: once ready, I am interested in working on a openbsd live image that uses the reference bitcoind
mod6: It requires a subtle patch to the code.
freeborn: currently with out some guidence, compiling this looks beyond me
freeborn: mod6: thanks!!! my fingers await your instructions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: optic fibre is perhaps the ideal thing to bury << aha. doesn't care about water (see ancient thread re: co2 tanks chained to telco poles) or capacitance of surrounding material
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you print 10k capilaries of which over 9000 have a hole somewhere... well i guess it'd make a great burning man prop << problem invites itself to be solved with clever metallurgy. as in, alloy which functions if in a normal turbine but fuses the capillary shut if said capillary is on fire and not cooled by a nearby functioning microturbine.
mod6: <+thestringpuller> freeborn: I'm pretty sure mod6 has gotten it working on OpenBSD. << Hi freeborn, yup, OpenBSD is on def. at the top of our list of platforms to support. I made good progress on this in February, but got a little side-tracked in March with the release. Stay tuned to the mailing list (btc-dev), any advancements in this realm will be updated there.
nubbins`: hm, if this doesn't work, i can rebuild *just* the cross toolchain, can't i?
nubbins`: now, while i wait for this potentially-useless compile to finish, i'm gonna re-up on caffeine and watch some zombies
asciilifeform: (buildroot's packages that is)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this will easily answer your puzzle
asciilifeform: nubbins`: and see what flags they pull in
nubbins`: freeborn have you run into errors or have you not tried yet?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: incidentally - read through the packages tree to see if there are any that use cpp
asciilifeform: nubbins`: so you will be the pioneer.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i have not even tried to build bitcoin or its deps using buildroot's chain, yet
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you know, you can make next release too
nubbins`: asciilifeform FWIW you may wish to include those flags in the next portatronic release; boost requires g++
asciilifeform: freeborn: then you can have permanent voice.
mats: lotta those errors being printed to chan on a weekly basis
asciilifeform: freeborn: get in the wot
nubbins`: well, this has been going for about an hour now, so i'll let it finish. if that doesn't do it, i'll start from scratch
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this may be necessary if changing compiler type
nubbins`: hm. trying it again now, regardless
thestringpuller: mats: i don't understand the point of fake money anymore.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: make clean all first cleans then alls
mats: thats the only explanation for increased confidence in the yen i can imagine
mats: somehow the peasants are reassured by fake money being poured into the engine
freeborn: asciilifeform: cool, will track that down, thanks!
asciilifeform: freeborn: try the mac os build instructions posted recently, these may work on openbsd
freeborn: hi all, been following the bitcoin foundations work for a little while.. looks really cool! I have been giving it a shot trying to install on my openbsd machine, I noticed in the release notes that BingoBoingo has provided soem insights for building on obsd, does anyone know if this is possible yet?
asciilifeform: if it is point-like enough, it begins to make sense to stack the tiles vertically (at sufficient distance naturally)
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: Also as you move horizontally away from the object you are lifting, your leverage decreases << only if payload is a point.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: so i added BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX=y and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y flags to pogoplug_defconfig but g++ doesn't get spit out. what gives! << did you 'make clean all' ? 'buildroot' doesn't work like a proper 'make' project at all. you have to 'clean' it almost every time you change anything.
mats: this, while fed rate hike is incoming and BoJ continues QE part two...
gribble: Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later.
mats: what is going on with the yen?
nubbins`: the deliciousness of ketchup flavor with the enhanced snap of a corn chip
jurov: assholes, bitcoins, tomato flavored doritos.. to every man his own
nubbins`: next best thing
assbot: Logged on 31-03-2015 10:17:51; mircea_popescu: he wants to fill it with good christian thoughts.
funkenstein_: Also as you move horizontally away from the object you are lifting, your leverage d
funkenstein_: <asciilifeform> lifting whatever size load as one wishes, like balloons <-- it's the airflow problem that will probably get you.
nubbins`: rather than lame ol' intelligent design ☟︎
nubbins`: anyway mircea_popescu i took TFQ more to be an interpretation of the whole "hyperspace = outside of normal spacetime" thing simiar to what Card suggested in Children of the Mind
nubbins`: so i added BR2_GCC_CROSS_CXX=y and BR2_INSTALL_LIBSTDCPP=y flags to pogoplug_defconfig but g++ doesn't get spit out. what gives!
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> if only. humans don't actually breed like that. <<< what, exponentially? o.O ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and on that note... laters!
mircea_popescu: anyway, asimov ends it with an intelligent design thing ? /me is disappoint.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder how thinking people manage to put up with this indignity. it's really worse than any government bullshit. to not have a dictionary ?! barbarous.
mircea_popescu: fucking incredible how bad the "definitions" peddled by online sites are.
mircea_popescu: except this is just your perception of a fundamental law.
mircea_popescu: a lot of human history can be readily understood by sieving it through the universe-cosmos duality
mircea_popescu: pointedly opposed to the concept of cosmos (the lot of related parts)
funkenstein_: that's a better definition than most
mircea_popescu: nah, it's defined alright. "universe" = "the lot that obeys the same laws"
mircea_popescu: which is probably what the universe is in the first place : the big bang was... well... one such event, tiny in its proper scale.
mircea_popescu: through a process roughly similar to pair generation (which is how we even know black stars exist : spontaneously generated pairs which sum to zero but which are separated by the event horizon result in direct radiation of the black body), it is reasonable to expect even a thermically dead universe to display localised disturbances, permanently.
mircea_popescu: asimov's idea of thermic end is kinda bizarre. it doesn't go to 0, it goes to "soup"
mircea_popescu: he wants to fill it with good christian thoughts. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: whenever the great ovary tears off the packaging off a pre-prepared condom-equivalent.