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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the issues cut deeper than gcc. we are dealing with what ilkka kokkarinen called 'unprincipled exception', where something is allowed to stay broken because fixing it would break 10,000 other things.
mircea_popescu: mod6 what i'm saying is, this stuff would not reasonably be expected by you, nor is it a function of the project.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!! << here. what?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rms is long in the tooth, old, and endlessly hammered by clean-shaven fools who don't eat 'toe jam' and spit in his face
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's bugs and there's bugs.
mircea_popescu: which is a 20 year old project, and which i had been using as a reason to justify why im not taking a piss in rms' hairdo
asciilifeform: i take it mircea_popescu is a gcc-bug-virgin
mircea_popescu: mod6 no, actually, there's no way to have these issues INTO GCC!!!
asciilifeform lays off the poor ^ key
mod6: i think, maybe im not the right guy for this. or at minimum, I need someone who can look over my shoulder on this. there's no way we should have these issues 5 months into a project.
mircea_popescu: by now we have a family of these monsters, which is very worrisome,.
mircea_popescu: and their joint horrible twin sister being, "hey, turns out so called static builds aren't even static"
mod6: no good answers there.
mircea_popescu: given tyhe symbol is in fact undefined.
mircea_popescu: mod6 the question is : why has your compiler not complained about an undefined symbol
mod6: mircea_popescu: nope. none. my deb6 environments (yes more than one) all compiled it fine with gcc 4.4.5. i didn't have problems on gentoo either fwiw. but not sure what the gentoo AMI had for a compiler. my guess is that I was fooled by gcc.
asciilifeform: maybe hanbot can try? gentoo box?
asciilifeform: problem, currently, is that no one but me seems to be able to replicate this!
asciilifeform: where none of the 'static' stuff actually worked ever.
mircea_popescu: mod6 do you have any idea why your thing compiled it ?
asciilifeform: mod6: read the log. i fixed it, only to reveal a mega-bug
mod6: so re: all the uint32_t, sorry that you're all having problems with this. I guess I missed a lot of stuff.
mircea_popescu: scarcely any need to practice then.
mircea_popescu: i never hear of anyone flunk the cemetery.
asciilifeform: i hear sleep is the main order of business there.
asciilifeform: wake me up when they build a fab.
mircea_popescu: "how to make this counterintuitive sht work ? " "don't."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wake me up when they get kernel
mircea_popescu: the part you won't teach them shouldn't be taught anyway.
mircea_popescu: the part that's worth teaching is easy to teach, and unrelated to intelligence.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: teach'em, why not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a naked woman can be taught anything if you're willing to break an uncountable set of sticks.
mircea_popescu: it is a matter of need : in order to ensure your space you must control whole chains. there's no escaping this, and so someone will have to. nobody particularly has a desire to run a cnc mill or an ic fab, but if one wants working software, one has to. and so it flows.
asciilifeform recommeds that mircea_popescu start collecting slavegirls who are handy with systems programming. though the trouble may be that ones of the correct vintage (no later than early '80s) are probably beginning to spoil...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... be my slavegirls << in that case,
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:18:07; nubbins`: you don't need to own a thing for its desire to shape your set of acceptable environments
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082999 << and it's not a matter of desire, we're not discussing aesthetics here, as if we were living in a post-functional world where even bothering to think about "where does the tap water come from" is a waste of time.
mircea_popescu: anything conflicting with this chain is about as interesting as "a bitcoin" that doesn't mine off the main chain.
mircea_popescu: his desire to own a cnc mill is a result of his desire to own a nuke, which is a result of his desire to go "either you stick to this rule or i kill you"
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:17:18; nubbins`: understand that your desire to own a 6-axis milling machine directly conflicts with your ability to live happily off-radar
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082995 << no. living off radar is not a matter of vanishing yourself. it is a matter of forcing the op to turn the radar off.
asciilifeform: ^ this is why i don't get nubbbins` presenting bohemians as mega-example to learn from
mircea_popescu: in this sense, someone who has to mooch wifi and someone who "owns" a mortgage are identical.
asciilifeform: or so much as a gram of soy, that the chinese can't grow cheaper, with which to buy one.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:14:49; nubbins`: anyway, whether or not one can survive comfortably off the radar is more a function of the route their life has taken thus far. it's not in the cards for everyone.
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082985 << no. it is strictly a function of whether they are posing a threat to the leviathan or not. strictly that. no "routes". you can only matter if you can actually blow a hole in them, and you can only blow a hole in them if you don't depend on someone's permission for your activity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself << grow me a 0805 resistor.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 22:11:02; ascii_field: who to mooch off ?
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082974 << this is where the entire "smart" turns to stupid. the only thing them smart hipsters can do is be my slavegirls.
BingoBoingo pours a drink because cutting the liquor budget substantially for the short to medium term future.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Toned down the meta a bit.
mircea_popescu: just, vagrant stupid rather than delusional stupid.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 21:43:36; nubbins`: all of a sudden the freewheelin hitchhikin hippies aren't so stupid :0
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082928 << no, they're stupid.
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 21:42:51; ascii_field: so it isn't simply a matter of physically getting out - any idiot with 1k-usd or so can do that. but you also have to completely divorce the 'legit global economy'
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082925 << that's prolly going too far. the usg can prolly "exert pressure" on the price of soy, nevertheless you can still go to argentina's remote east and grow some soy for yourself.
mircea_popescu: dude srsly... too meta.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Faced with technology that forces it to reveal its teeth and claws, along with the reaping of the fruit the United States Government planted in its subversion of the computing stack at every level, the fangs are being bared and the claws unsheathed."
nubbins`: it's entirely possible that gcc broke this
nubbins`: asciilifeform i'm done w/ this for the evening, but my next step will be to try again with gcc 4.4.5, which mod6 says was current (in debian) when 0.5.3 came out
nubbins` invites anyone currently watching to google the above error, with quotes
nubbins`: alf, take small solace in the fact that it's not just you?
nubbins`: util.h:650:8: error: ‘uint32_t’ does not name a type
nubbins`: this brings me to:
hanbot: ;;later tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States
hanbot: ;;later_tell BingoBoingo very nicely done. coupla edits: United State's Government's / States' ; Republic of the United State's of America / States
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ^ qntra on the topic is up
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Did you read the order? It is linked and on the white house website as well as attached in full text at the botton of the post
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit << Then the peace vampires came out, like USG Informant Al Sharpton.
funkenstein_: persons located, in whole or in substantial part, outside the United States <--- ???
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo tell me it's april fools please
nubbins`: danielpbarron that actually doesn't work.
nubbins`: if it looks kosher, then try ./auto.sh again
danielpbarron: nubbins`, where would that go?
nubbins`: or figure out why auto.sh puts the shit in the wrong dir
ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: that's the spirit
nubbins`: add ~/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/openssl-1.0.1g/include to your path
nubbins`: found missing openssl headers, they're just in the wrong spot.
funkenstein_: just meant to say i liked the chap's spirit
nubbins`: trinque everywhere's got problems, they're just, uh... /different/ here
funkenstein_: guess it was the royal we ;)
trinque: well this and other things
trinque: this is what's problematic to me here; I am on no one's side...
nubbins`: funkenstein_ try asciilifeform
nubbins`: fuck am i ever glad shit like this is just a hobby now
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> lived most of my life as one. << my turn to live under the gallows shadow
ascii_field: i'ma go sit in traffic for a couplea hours now. perhaps one of you independently wealthy folks can fix it meanwhile.
danielpbarron: i find that fact to be comforting as it is generally consistent with the reality described in the Bible
ascii_field: (see earlier thread)
ascii_field: the whole fucking ecosystem is rotten to the bone.
nubbins`: wait, no, boost failed 1 target.
nubbins`: guess that was an important target :p
nubbins`: none of the headers are there
ascii_field: jurov: though BingoBoingo did 'go ferguson go' a bit
danielpbarron: well that's a relief; i had thought my gentoo install was borked
danielpbarron: me too
nubbins`: i did get 1 failed target on openssl build
assbot: Logged on 25-03-2015 14:04:55; danielpbarron: ;;later tell mod6 having some troubles here http://danielpbarron.com/auto-static-v0_0_5-x86_32.txt
jurov: i can see annoyed and bored late roman citizen "go germans go" .. just not my cup of tea
danielpbarron: i have had that error