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punkman: " balaclava-clad goon attempts
to burn a fire-resistant EU flag"
punkman: this girl I know moved
to germany
to work at some
tech company, 800eur salary for first 2 years or something.
nubbins`: oh wow
there's another almost-empty glass behind
the other side of
the banner
nubbins`: incidentally,
the fact
that NES has RCA out is amazing
nubbins`: yeah
they still come w/ RCA in
nubbins`: asciilifeform i wonder how well it works w/ modern
tvs
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> i'll be afk-ish, one last color
to lay down on
these business cards
nubbins`: not on emulators of
the shit hardware
nubbins`: jurov openbsd keeps a room of shit hardware because it's expected
to run on
that shit hardware in
the real world
jurov: so i'm not very keen on
this
jurov: even openbsd prefers
to maintain racks of obsolete hardware
to running emulators
nubbins`: i'll be afk-ish, one last color
to lay down on
these business cards
jurov: building and usefully running are
two disticnt
things
jurov: otherwise no one will use
that for development
jurov: will it be able
to run or even debug bitcoind?
nubbins`: but hey.
the plural of anecdote is proof, yes?
nubbins`: i do feel
that we'll run into precisely
the same issues as we're having with our current gentoo installs
nubbins` asks "sanity check" questions more often
than most
nubbins`: i'm assuming
the built environments can be swapped around from person
to person?
nubbins`: if anyone reading feels like being
tasked
nubbins`: based on
this, i
think qemu is
the
third choice
nubbins`: i fear
this'll add complexity from
the start because you won't know if
the cross-compile is failing because it's a cross-compile or because
the code's borked
nubbins`: i wouldn't ascribe "stuck"
to having clone-able metal available
mod6: how does one
then build on an emulator
then run it on
their desktop or vps or w/e?
mod6: i dont want
to rely on an emulator if possible. i'd like
to have: a URL
to an ISO of gentoo
that's "acceptable", a script
that pulls down
tar balls of required
tools and builds
them
nubbins`: what's
the simplest we could get away with?
nubbins`: leaving aside
the question of OS for now
nubbins`: before we dig
too deep, is it fair
to say
that qemu is worth using for hosting dev environment?
jurov: can't be some supported-till-2020 distro used for now? gentoo is good, but moving
target
mod6: ok. im not sure if we have a way forward on
this project. or if
there is, I don't know what it is.
mod6: we have
to get
to some sort of common ground here.
mod6: i want a script
that will build all of
the "accepted"/"blessed" versions of
the
things it needs; gcc, etc, etc, etc.
mod6: Ok, so say
that you have installed via offical docs, bla bla bla. Ok,
then our release doesn't work. But we need
to fix defects, and I refuse
to have
this happen going forward. So we need something repeatable.
nubbins`: "build script" is sorta
the install guide :P
mod6: What I was hoping for is maybe a build script. Would
that be muti-gig?
nubbins`: mod6 in fairness my gentoo was installed using
the official docs, and it's reacting precisely
the same as alf's
nubbins`: "can't untie
the knot in your laces? cut em off and apply glue-backed velcro"
mod6: asciilifeform: can you make a repeatable build environment for
The Foundation
to use going forward? Something put
together by you, blessed by you, so we're all building/testing/using something
that "fits in head"?
nubbins`: one of
the solutions floated for
the "no lssl, lcrypto"
thing was
to download precompiled bins
nubbins`: that happens
to be made by crapple
nubbins`: asciilifeform
then i'd mention again
that i built it on POSIX-compliant os
mod6: like... say.. 3-4 weeks ago when we were
testing stuff.
mod6: I also seem
to recall, and maybe I should dig for it, someone else built for gentoo before anyone was discussing 32bit.
nubbins` has a suspicion
that
this is somehow related
to 32bit vs 64bit libs
nubbins`: i know nothing about aws, can you pull an image of
that machine down locally?