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decimation: one of the reasons why the "PC" was such a success (as in the commodore, etc) was because many universities had taken to putting their computers behind a locked wall
assbot: Meet the new DRM, same as the old DRM ... ( http://bit.ly/1CzvMa6 )
asciilifeform: just as it was meant -not- to
asciilifeform: not same as autotransformer
decimation: "The value of the dummy-load resistors is choosen carefully, so that they the circuit draws the same current as the solenoids. As a result, the PSU will not only supply a constant voltage, but will also consume a constant current" < this seems dubious on production units
asciilifeform: 'Although it may seem unnecessary, the data socket (marked МАШИНА II) must be connected, as otherwise the machine will not work. This is done to ensure the use of the TEMPEST feature (see below). ' << seems to imply that it was a straight pass-through
nubbins`: "glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration."
decimation: asciilifeform: one wonders what the openssl authors use as a 'baseline os'
asciilifeform: see log as to why.
asciilifeform: as decimation helpfully pointed out ~1hr ago, ssl didn't build
mircea_popescu: and as "we" have agreed bitcoin is what it is, well...
mircea_popescu: well... nothing is as strictly relevant to national security as a mining farm, factually speaking.
mircea_popescu: since bitcoin pulled the code AS IT WAS and built a chain on it, the optionsare :
assbot: Logged on 02-04-2015 02:00:00; BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT
asciilifeform: <ben_vulpes> salesforce either << usg is not the post office. usg is precisely the folks who perpetrate things such as 'salesforce.'
BingoBoingo: <decimation> asciilifeform: usg buys everything on the 'friends&family' plan << And no one knows how tenous their connection is as Force, Carl Mark IV can likely attest
ben_vulpes: plenty happens beyond its domain. its domain, as was the french, is vastly less broad and strong than it thinks.
decimation: but as long as 'we' are maintaining someone else's code it's pretty much inevitible to fall into the hole
BingoBoingo only gave chewing tobacco 3 weeks as a habit before returning to smoked tobacco
decimation: If you look at how redhat 'maintains' a baseline of code, you find that they pile up patches as shit breaks
BingoBoingo: I suggest this not as a solution to the OpenSSL turdation and version hell, but as a way to identify which parts of OpenSSL turdify unforgivably
asciilifeform: i realize that i could do this just as well with my old traditional build.
asciilifeform: not same as a naked main() in c
decimation: as in no os?
decimation: I'm sure you can get ada working on osx but it's not as simple as 'port install gnat'
BingoBoingo: OpenBSD has been nice to me, but weird compared to linux and as a point that displeases MP poor fundraiser Bob Beck is in their WoT
decimation: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2725255/create-statically-linked-binary-that-uses-getaddrinfo <glibc uses libnss to support a number of different providers for address resolution services. Unfortunately, you cannot statically link libnss, as exactly what providers it loads depends on the local system's configuration.
mod6: my hunch is that this is not working as expected. I need alf to verify for me.
mod6: obviously, i don't have a clue as to what's going on there.
mod6: so if that's not working as expected, I (we) need help getting the makefile in order so that it does this correctly & the auto.sh script if that's part of the problem also.
asciilifeform: i want that thing to display as it would from my fucking disk.
mircea_popescu: think of it as a cache or something.
mod6: someone also mentioned that we (the bitcoin foundation) should host the openssl, bdb, and boost libs on our website for dl. i decided against that as i like someone to feel like they're getting a copy from the originator. (this is from yesterday)
mircea_popescu: which is a 20 year old project, and which i had been using as a reason to justify why im not taking a piss in rms' hairdo
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082999 << and it's not a matter of desire, we're not discussing aesthetics here, as if we were living in a post-functional world where even bothering to think about "where does the tap water come from" is a waste of time.
mircea_popescu: anything conflicting with this chain is about as interesting as "a bitcoin" that doesn't mine off the main chain.
asciilifeform: ^ this is why i don't get nubbbins` presenting bohemians as mega-example to learn from
asciilifeform: or so much as a gram of soy, that the chinese can't grow cheaper, with which to buy one.
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Did you read the order? It is linked and on the white house website as well as attached in full text at the botton of the post
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> lived most of my life as one. << my turn to live under the gallows shadow
danielpbarron: i find that fact to be comforting as it is generally consistent with the reality described in the Bible
ascii_field: as in 'find a use for, assuming they can eat tree bark and build own computer from mud'
ben_vulpes: readelf was new to me as of 2 months ago
ascii_field: quite analogous to individual schmucks as discussed earlier in thread.
funkenstein_: a gaggle of midgets can be dangerous as fuck i give you that
ascii_field: as if any of us has a snowball's chance in hell of escape.
nubbins`: nope. then work as a contractor for the man.
nubbins`: only if you're happy with living as a rat.
ascii_field: because rat is as pleased with dumpster as a man would be with sultan of brunei's palaces
mircea_popescu: "To those that suggest that the Sun has something to do with the weather, I say that is just a superstition. The Sun is far too far away to have any effect on the neighborhood. And besides, the Sun comes up in the winter, but it does not stay warm. But, as soon as people stop using lawnmowers, it gets cold. So, it seems obvious and irrefutable that carbon dioxide causes global warming, and lawnmowers are the main sourc
mircea_popescu: just as good as any "earth science" out there.
mircea_popescu: most always hot weather. And, as lawnmower use starts to taper in the fall, it starts getting cooler again."
mircea_popescu: in other news, "It seems obvious to me that global warming is caused by carbon dioxide, and the main source of carbon dioxide is lawnmowers. I have noticed over the years that it gets really cold during the winter, and during that time I rarely hear lawn mowers. But, as soon as I start hearing the occasional lawnmower in the neighborhood, it starts getting warmer. By midsummer when I hear lawnmowers every day, it is al
mircea_popescu: o as at amus atis ant
mircea_popescu: http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-04-2015#1082532 << as is singular and atis is pluran 2nd person
mircea_popescu: lived most of my life as one.
ascii_field: like every criminal, the officials of usg do precisely as much as they can comfortably get away with.
ascii_field: if there is and you can demonstrate readiness to use it - as in, 'we catch ONE more blackwater in donbass and new york is glass' - then possibly no
ascii_field: as i've said perhaps a dozen times, if there isn't an icbm battery between you and the lunatic nato reich - you're fair game to them.
mats: "three govt officials can pwn your shit at will on the basis of evidence at least as good as obama's attribution of the sony attack to north korea"
ascii_field: 'I hereby determine that the making of donations of the type of articles specified in section 203(b)(2) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(2)) by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to section 1 of this order would seriously impair my ability to deal with the national emergency declared in this order, and I hereby prohibit such donations as provided by section 1 of
mircea_popescu: welll hopefully you all got your propertah out of the us at any point during the many discussions as to teh effect.
mircea_popescu: and this is a major political decision we are, as far as history knows, the ONLY group willing to make.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there is no such thing as a rational standard.
ascii_field: now, i'm not saying we should all eat our nagants, nothing can be done. one can achieve some measure of stability. but as things fall apart, as they increasingly are, the fuzz at the edges will look like... this.
mircea_popescu: as a for instance.
ascii_field: as in, disk image with compilators, etc ?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: i only ever use it as a less-carcinogenic substitute for perl
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as you probably suspected, static linking as such is broken on extant systems.
nubbins`: yeah, i obv don't carry the numbers in long-term storage, but they're incredibly pervasive and just as wasteful
assbot: Logged on 01-04-2015 12:32:18; nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows
mircea_popescu: still doesn't do as much as deedbot'd do.
ben_vulpes: probably ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade as well, 'cause i dun know any better
ascii_field: fact is, that thing - as written - should build on NO ONE's machine - given as util.h is using a type that is not defined therein, nor anywhere else! (stdint.h is not included in -any- of the files)
ascii_field: gentoo as always
ascii_field: including stdint.h (as per my patch) in util.h gives
nubbins`: seems to be as many different solutions as there are people asking the problem, which is never a good sign
ascii_field: as far as i can tell, the behaviour of gcc is somehow minutely different
mike_c: same reason as everyone else?
trinque: pete_dushenski: yer thing's up on deedbot.org as of the last block
ben_vulpes: also didn't the log thing happen last year as well?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: the 25' steel twirly slide i once clambered upon the outside of as a child has been replaced by a 5' doofy plastic thing
jurov: as other people did
pete_dushenski: hm yes, i'm only seeing that first month's as well
nubbins`: my laptop's got a 5400 as well, paused downloading blocks while i get this cross-toolchain unfucked
nubbins`: protip: if you use a single-cup coffee maker, you might as well get rid of all the garbage cans in your house and just start throwing trash out your windows
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: As far as I know so far
trinque: so as long as the commands it's providing aren't insanely tangled, no big deal
BingoBoingo: trinque: Seriously. Busybox is boring. Complete dominion over memory functions as Obsd does, cool
trinque: not so much an OS as a linux RPG
trinque: among friends of mine, we refer to gentoo as "gentoo quest" and for good reason
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I have yet to discern an order. Part of the reason why link dropped here and not on Qntra as "Oh look at how USia Squeezes Struggling Schools"
BingoBoingo: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1698397/heightened-cash-monitoring-list-as-of-march-1-2015.pdf << different lolz
BingoBoingo: Much as chinese 5.56 assault rifle invokes fifth column invasion and scavengers
trinque: ports seems almost the way there, but I don't see a way for example to globally mask a package or option as you can with portage
asciilifeform: a default gentoo (to the extent it even makes sense to utter such a thing) built by someone carelessly reading the cookbook will end up with systemd as likely as not
BingoBoingo: mod6: Sure. Gentoo is still at its heart Linux. As best as I can tell having lived with it as sole OS for a few months OpenBSD compared to linux is more of an exotica like HP/UX or Slowaris.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> asciilifeform: huh. im not sure what'd that be. i did a lot of testing on amd64, ever saw that error. i did see something similar just now though on openbsd, but i suspect that something totally different because, well, openbsd. << I'll go on the record as saying OpenBSD should not be considered "gold standard" unix in the way gentoo is. OpenBSD goes way out of its way to prevent user from hanging self.
mod6: yes, was tested on a hand full of environments ( as stated in the ADDRESS ): deb6 (64/32), gentoo (64/32), ubuntu 12/14 (64) and apparently macosx too. not sure what you're running into.
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: well, both made it this far. As for technical side, it is an engineering tour de force to build a semi-functional accounting system on mongodb documents and node.js, no doubt