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Pierre_Rochard: ^ place
this quote under “self-serving” in a dictionary
decimation: of course he's not a fan, because if suddenly 'talent'
thinks
they are worth $250k instead of $50k, his own business implodes
decimation: attracting"
the worst cultural fits. "
decimation: "It's "a horrific idea," [paying $250k] said Sam Altman,
the president of Y Combinator, Silicon Valley's most prestigious
technology incubator. "It seems on paper like a really good idea [since] great engineers can create huge value. [But] here's why it doesn't work: You really want a company full of missionaries, not mercenaries. And so if your company is known as
the place where you can make a huge cash salary, you end up
mod6: anyway, if my grub looks good,
then maybe it's my kern. but it could be something else... not quite sure.
mod6: <+trinque> and otherwise if all else fails I'll be putting my own build script
together before long << ok sweet!
mod6: <+trinque> may help;
that's a working gentoo kernel out on ec2 << i'll
try
this out
tomorrow
mod6: yeah isn't
that what i have in grub? ^^^
trinque: and otherwise if all else fails I'll be putting my own build script
together before long
trinque: may help;
that's a working gentoo kernel out on ec2
mod6: oh well, i guess we can pick it back up
tomorrow.
mod6: has
the same error in
the System Log.
mod6: trinque: same
thing :/
livegnik: I enjoyed
talking
to all of you. See y'all in Round 2! :)
livegnik: Disregard
that last one, miscommunication on my side. I
think you're right about me going
to bed
then.
livegnik: I did? Oh, I might have become insusceptible
to
them
then by now.
livegnik: I know who's beating I'll put my money on
though.
livegnik: In
that case, sorry
to bother you with
the apology for
the perceived bother.
danielpbarron: it's less of a bother
than your apology for
the perceived bother
livegnik: There's probably not much wrong with simple gpg messages.
There's more
to Identifi
than rating messages however.
livegnik: Sorry for bothering you with level-upping me constantly. I won't be on for much longer now anyhow, so I won't waste
too much of your
typing and/or clicking ;)
trinque: rather
than gossip protocols and all
this other fancy shit, what's wrong with a simple gpg message format
that constitutes a rating
livegnik: Not for
this purpose, yet. I'll fix it later
today (after I wake up).
danielpbarron: You can
try it out at
http://identi.fi. You can easily log in with FB/G+/Twitter/email and give ratings and verifications. It's still in alpha stage and
the user interface is under constant development. My goal is
to make it easier
to use
than
the address book on your phone. <<
that part's got
to go if it's going
to be worth anything
trinque: the rest of
the problem is what
they said, about whom, and how
that information is discoverec
trinque: I see
two problems, one solved by gpg entirely, which is establishing an identity
livegnik: Thanks for your
thoughts on
this so far. I'll invite Martti
to join us in here.
livegnik: I'm finishing up some
things atm, and will
then go catch some rest. My IRC server is up 99% of
the
time (the missing 1% was yesterday), so I'll be back in here :)
livegnik: I've been
trying
to find people
to break
this
theory, but haven't bumped into
them yet. At
the same
time,
there aren't
too many people working on
these
types of solutions
throughout
the world atm.
trinque: debate is how
things operate around here
livegnik: I'm open for suggestions
though, and again, I'm just
the business developer. Martti is
the real dev on
this one.
trinque: livegnik: get in our WoT so you can self-voice, and invite him along
too
livegnik: trinque: I'm not much of a coder, so I'm not able
to answer
that last remark at
this point. Martti probably has a fitting answer for
that one, according
to my previous experiences with his mostly-always-sufficient answers.
trinque: seems
there's a simpler way
trinque reserves judgment on whether
this is a nice marmot yet
trinque: if you're not using
the blockchain I dunno why you don't just use gpg keys and some gossip protocol; as I understand it bitcoin isn't even very good at
that part
livegnik: You could put it
that way. It's a layer
to shuffle your marmot around, or whatever analogy you prefer.
livegnik: And we're working on a permission database / filter/firewall & communication application
that can run between
the node
that stores
the actual data, and
the other
trusted nodes, in order
to set
thresholds based on permissions for sharing info.
trinque: keypairs and gossip about ratings is probably not far from
the mark
trinque: as I understand it you're basically using
the bitcoin
transaction propagation stuff
to send out rating data?
trinque: and maybe you will; difficult position
to be in
to say
the least
livegnik: Happy
to elaborate on
the others when I can make
that info public.
trinque: yes but
this is "if we get x and y consulting dollars" and so on?
livegnik: I can't say
too much about it at
this
time, but I can
tell you
that we have an accountant who's helping us
to crunch
the numbers.
trinque: as noted earlier in
the logs,
these days our chief export is bullshit
livegnik: trinque: We plan
to break-even within (max) a year or 3.
☟︎ trinque: the idea
that profitability is something you can "figure out along
the way" if at all, is a braindead american VC concept
trinque: livegnik:
this killed my last employer, as it should have
trinque: livegnik |
trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on
the proof-of-concept, and I've spent
the last 8 months working on
this project << for
the logs, it is never, ever a good idea
to leap off into some venture with both feet when
the venture has no profitability or plan
to achieve it
danielpbarron: so
there should be a link on your site
to my "address book" listing ?
livegnik: I'll check dpaste. I've been using pastebin up
till now for
the most-part; years.
livegnik: Can I drop a few lines (like 15 or so) in here
to give some examples of what Identifi nodes could be applied
to?
assbot: Logged on 24-04-2015 13:15:14; mircea_popescu: gribble went down at some point.
this is rare, but whatever, happens. nanotube was also unresponsive. after a few days in
this position assbot got enabled
to wot
livegnik: What's
the gribble/assbot divide problem, if I may?
livegnik: I'd even dare
to predict
that
this should enable business models like, e.g, a decentralized credit rating agency.
danielpbarron: sounds like
this idea can be adapted
to
the gribble/assbot divide problem
decimation: livegnik: what do you have
to offer over properly using gpg?
☟︎ livegnik: Everyone in
the Bitcoin-OTC WoT should be in
there, if correct.
There's a Bitcoin-OTC crawler for Identifi nodes :)
livegnik: trinque: So would we. Sirius spent 1.5 half years working on
the proof-of-concept, and I've spent
the last 8 months working on
this project full-time. I've actually quit my dayjob for it and am burning my savings.
☟︎ trinque: I'd be interested
to see an example of
that business model working for something
that's not a) propped up by VC b) propped up by govt or c) already had a viable consulting business
livegnik: Services mostly. Helping business who want
to integrate Identifi nodes within
their existing environments mostly.
decimation: you get
the government
to pay you for other people's work?
livegnik: One size
that fits all. Additional applications could be ran on-top of
the node.
livegnik: The idea for business model for
the company we have in mind probably comes closest
to Red Hat, without
the Enterprise edition.
☟︎ livegnik: I'm actually not interested in a very high valuation,
to be honest, just
to be able
to pay a few devs
to work on
this full-time.
decimation: livegnik: what are you going
to use your funding
to do?
trinque: danielpbarron: what does
that make us?
livegnik: Well,
that info is
there. It's up
to you
to filter.
livegnik: Within Identifi networks
the max is infinite, but
the proto-type of our front-end hands you
the options 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or infinite degree.
danielpbarron: what would an L3 consist of? friend of a friend of a friend? no
thanks
livegnik: danielpbarron: Identifi does
the same with
the
trust ratings, you can set your viewpoint from 0
to infinite.
livegnik: danielpbarron: Ah,
the viewpoints. Capice.
livegnik: trinque:
There are 2
types of messages: 1.) verifications of identity's identifiers, and 2.)
trust ratings ("Alice is a
terrific barber!". "Bob is
the worst car salesman!", "DID_REPAY_LOAN_ON_TIME", etc.)
danielpbarron: my L2 "level
two" consists of all
the users
trusted by users in my L1
danielpbarron: livegnik, my L1 or "level one" consists of users
that I
trust (have given a rating) directly
livegnik: trinque: Yes, for
the most part. And
there's no blockchain.
decimation: livegnik: what are you going
to use funding for?
livegnik: danielpbarron: Could you elaborate on
the L1 L2
thing for me?
trinque: livegnik: so
this is a haxed bitcoin where
the payments are instead ratings, yeah?
livegnik: The first is a quite shallow explanation of
the project, we'll update it within a few months or so (after rounding up
the pilot projects, board of advisors, and funding).
livegnik: trinque: Would
that be identifi.org or identi.fi?
livegnik: I agree
that it can be ignored for
the most-part, but Identifi doesn't even contain it.
trinque: livegnik: ah I'm looking at
the website for
that project now
danielpbarron: the general score can be ignored for
the most part (in
the OTC / assbot WoT)
trinque: mod6: yeah from whatever
the bootloader is;
there's also a way
to build command line (meaning kernel command line) parameters into
the kernel itself
livegnik: danielpbarron:
The main difference between Bitcoin-OTC and Identifi, if I understand correctly, is
that
the Bitcoin-OTC WoT acts as a WoT-for-all, whereas with Identifi each identity has it's own WoT, and
there's no 'general' score.
☟︎