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mircea_popescu: Mem: 24420888k
total, 24035956k used, 384932k free, 889012k buffers << what one likes
to see.
there's something so pleasant about a maxed box.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for
the record, "and found 60 with one or more duplicate moduli." is maybe misleading. it merely found
the same key in multiple places, it hasn't actually cracked anything.
chatquack: Where
the funk is BingoBoingo? I blame him for
this useless banter.
chatquack: but
then again remote or local ll is done once it's run
chatquack: What do you mean by actual server? Sitting next
to you or.
chatquack: I have a hard
time sleeping without fan noise :\
mircea_popescu: and no, ^c is not worth anything, because ll is well optimized, spends a minute
thinking it
through and
then blasts you
mircea_popescu: One key consequence of
this is
that
the interpreter core in Python 3 is far more
tolerant of paths
that contain Unicode characters on Windows (so, for example, having a non-ASCII character in your username should no longer cause any problems with running Python scripts from your home directory on Windows).
decimation: you know
the next step... anyone who doesn't buy into python 3 is a racsis...
decimation: apparently guido's hobby is
to convert python into a
trojan horse for derpy utopianism
mircea_popescu: seems bizarre seeing how
the earlier stuff was predicated on "we want
to make
the language WE enjoy using". what, guido doesn't speak english ?!
trinque: that's
the condescending democratic notion of "them"
mircea_popescu: you don't speak english, you don't get
to use computers. back
to
the cave.
mircea_popescu: " It should be at least possible for users
to start learning
the basics of Python without having
to first learn English as a prerequisite (even if English remains a requirement for full participation in
the global Python and open source ecosystems)." <<
this is pretty retarded.
decimation: apparently
there are some folks who want
to do exactly
that
decimation: python 3 supports 'a better
text model
to support unicode' rather
than 'posix with unicode bolted on'
mircea_popescu: decimation so for my own education (not following python much) is
the 2/3 split primarily centered around unicode vs posix ?
decimation: I've got mixed feelings about
this book, but it does
talk about
the decline in american managerial culture
decimation: outcome with unease. Until
then,
the company had always made
the fuselage and wings for its planes;
that is what Boeing was all about."
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decimation: although boeing is a famous 'ada' shop. but
they probably outsource
that shit
too
mircea_popescu: "where did it go ?" "oh,
to
the land of
the jellybeans"
mircea_popescu: of course by now
they prolly do java everything and upgrade weekly.
decimation: same with aircraft, etc. nobody feels
the need
to 'upgrade' how a 777 works internally. you want new avionics? buy a new plane
decimation: note,
this is exactly how any 'adult' program works:
they were flying 80's era cpus in
the space shuttle for
the entire program because
that was
the baseline, and
the software worked
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, gnupg 1.4.x works just fine, and come
to
think about it
the pogos are being raped with software
that's a decade old.
decimation: well, if you can live on a hardware baseline,
then you have
the luxury of clamping down on software upgrade shit
mircea_popescu: note for instance
that
the various "emergency problem - update required" stuff is in NEW-ish versions. like, heartbleed ? ubuntu 10.04 was fine. 12.04 ? owned.
decimation: it goes back
to what asciilifeform was complaining about re: drivers. You are gonna have
to buy new hardware at some point, and
then you are going
to have
to rev everything
to support it
mircea_popescu: so why do i care what ubuntu does ? i got
the 10.04 burned. it's mine. forgetaboutit!
mircea_popescu: this is unlikely
to EVER change. i
tried
to move it
to gentoo but
the attempt burned,
toppled and sunk into
the swamp.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for instance : ubuntu sucks ass, especially
the new versions, and
the early ones. nevertheless, i use 10.04 as an easement / windows halfway house for all sorts of people.
mircea_popescu: i dunno
that it makes any difference, really. if one is using python (or anything else) correctly,
they pick something, and stick with it.
decimation: yeah
this is a good point. and it gives more ammunition
to
the idea
that if one is using python, one should consider stepping away
mircea_popescu: decimation if
they don't have
the balls
to step all over
the "pep" and "rights" of
the "core
team" and do whatever
they will,
they probably don't have
the strength
to matter anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i don't get it. if
the language was good, who cares about a fork ? it can be ignored like gavincoin, or burned
to
the ground at
that. if
the language sucked,
then well... ?
decimation: maybe
this stuff should be added
to
the various grounds for a google fiduciary lawsuit
mircea_popescu: decimation
the quote was from some "python is killing python" post.
decimation: yes,
the whole document reads as a retroactive justification for guido's missteps. "no no, you see it was a clever strategy
to release python 3 in a way
that made it seem
that it sucked ass."
mircea_popescu: c) if people and companies invested
time in shit
that doesn't offer
them a roi,
this means
they are stupid and should be punished. in no case does it mean
they should get some compensatory candy.
mircea_popescu: b) why exactly is
the expected "developing" ? afaik, a language should be set in stone. if
this is
the view entertained, what "evolution"
the fuck do
they wish ? if
this isn't
the view contemplated, why are
they not on 3 yet!
mircea_popescu: this reads very brokenly
to my eye, for many reasons, such as : a) people who can't afford
things get no voice.
this is what "financial reasons" means : shut
the fuck up and go home. if you are poor, you aren't a person.
decimation: You can't use
the word Python! We have rights!
decimation: Python refers specifically
to
the language versions endorsed by
the core development
team) and convincing people
to use it."
decimation: ah but
the implicit
threat: "What would it
take
to make you change your minds about
the current plan? An important
thing
to understand for anyone hoping
to convince
the core development
team
to change direction in regards
to Python 3 development and promotion is
to know
that mere words aren’t enough, it’s going
to
take action.
That action is defined in PEP 404: creating a Python 2.8 release (under a different name, however, since
mircea_popescu: moreover, i don't get
the following sort of nonsense : "One solution is
to fork Python 2.7, and continue developing
the language, adding features in a backwards compatible way so large, unportable (due
to financial constraints) Python 2 applications can continue
to evolve and improve and bring value
to
the people and companies
that invested so much
time developing
them. "
mircea_popescu: this is a non-issue.
there's no homesteading in software. some derps using X language don't acquire some sort of "rights", just like gavin,
that "bitcoin chamber of commerce" pageant chick or max keiser did not acquire any sort of property over bitcoin by derping on
the margins of it with abandon.
decimation: I'll hand it
to him,
the guy is verbose
mircea_popescu: "With
the long
transition
to “Python 3 by default” still in progress,
the question is occasionally raised as
to whether or not
the core Python developers are acting as reasonable stewards of
the Python language. "
decimation: sure, but at
the pain of making himself look like a retard when he goes off and does something retarded in
the name of his domain
mircea_popescu: decimation
they lack
the proper words
to express
themselves. what
they mean is
that it his private, sovereign domain, and he does whatever
the fuck he likes, and anyone who doesn't care for it can go dangle.
decimation: His boss
told him he had
to, you see. Everything will be better if you accept unicode into your heart
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes another aproach, but entirely for someone looking
to sink a lifetime into
this, is examining
the failures (iirc
there were a couple in
there). see if any way
to leverage
this
decimation: note
that
this is
the opposite of
the earlier defense (it's his hobby)
ben_vulpes: "we had
the file ent'd every 100kb" << which is
to say you split
the file on 100kb line and ent'd each?
mircea_popescu: a decent approach is
to compare your dataset
to other datasets, especially ones obtained
through different means
ben_vulpes: i have
two s.nsa reports up on my screen right now
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu and others interested in entropic information: what stats about generated entropy are useful? if i need
to shoop my entropy over
to gentoo i can, but if
that's not necessary (for dieharder
tests) i'd like
to avoid it
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mircea_popescu: "you want
to
talk about X, you fail
to cite and address Y, you are
thereby a kook, go away"
mircea_popescu: further in defense of
the nuts : "Nick Coghlan’s document should really be a required citation for any article advancing a new course for Python, because nobody is going
to
take you seriously if you don’t address" <<
this is very sensible.
mircea_popescu: "“They want everything for nothing.
They wouldn’t go for five seconds without being paid. And
they’ll bitch about how much
they’re paid, and want more. I should do a freebie for Warner Brothers? What, is Warner Brothers out with an eye patch and a
tin cup on
the street? Fuck, no."
mircea_popescu: the point stil lremains
tho. "stop
trying
to build your company out of our fucking hobby. hire some engineers, fucking cheapskates."
decimation: yeah with nutzos like
that in
their corner, python 3 is going
to
the moon!
decimation: yes, which is why any profession worth a shit has a comprehensive specialty dictionary for exactly
this reason
mircea_popescu: at
that point you are admitted as aprofessional in any discipline, when people consider
that you may be
trusted
to never, ever, anywhere, use a
term of art improperly.
this is why
they do four years' law and eight years' medical school, creativity malaplied can cost lives,
topple bridges, destroy destinies. IT IS FORBIDDEN.
mircea_popescu: to support work efficiency in science
there are employed certain words and fixed structures, whose meanings are amply debated, definitivwely fixated and
then every participant uses
them exactly. creative usage creates confusion, and are in fact
the main barrier between
the pro and
the amateur in any field.
mircea_popescu: nobody has
time
to read specialty
text with beginner's eyes, wonderments and speed, with care and dedication and "i wonder what
the author meant" every word. it's not fiction, it's not a novel, its science, you read
ten
thousand pages a year minimum.
mircea_popescu: zbat amplu, se fixeaza definitiv, si apoi
toti participantii la discutie le folosesc exact. Folosiri creative creeaza confuzie, si sunt de fapt principala bariera intre profesionisti si amatori in orice domeniu. Atunci esti admis ca profesionist in orice disciplina cind lumea considera ca
ti se poate oferi increderea ca nu vei folosi niciodata, nicicand, niciunde, nici un
termen de arta in sens impropriu. De asta se fa
mircea_popescu: the important bit for
this convo being "nimeni nu are
timp sa citeasca
textele de specialitate cu ochi, uimiri si viteza de incepator, cu atentie si migala si "oare ce-a vrut sa spuna autorul" la fiecare cuvant. Nu-i fictiune, nu-i roman, e
text stiintific, si se citesc cate zece mii de pagini pe an minim. Pentru a sustine eficienta muncii in stiinta se folosesc anumite cuvinte si structuri fixe ale caror sensuri se de
decimation: because
to go over
the list of all assumptions made before saying anything would prevent anyone from doing anything
mircea_popescu: their absence, on
the other hand, is why gentoo sucks.
mircea_popescu: incidentally,
the massive savings of mental energy
this relative approach offers is why we even have scientific paradigms in
the first place
decimation: yes, but I
thought
that you couldn't model language in
this way
mircea_popescu: if
the discussion revolves around a
tree five levels deep, with on average five leaves per branch,
this is readily 3k items being discussed.
decimation: maybe he was only
typing
the letter 'a'
decimation: I submit a human doing anything
that involves any degree of
thought at a rate of greater
than 10 per second is neigh impossible
decimation: even
the Victorians only had reaction
times of around 100 ms
mircea_popescu: yeah, im aware really good scientists can listen
to a
two hour lab report, write down
three lines and
then reproduce it exactly.