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shinohai: Or is that a moot point
shinohai: So is it possible to change the *network* it connects to, to one under your control ?
asciilifeform: but at present time this has not happened.
asciilifeform: stands to reason that once enemy engages he'll begin to spam the remaining irc seed chans - or even backport mechanism to his branch
shinohai: But yes, I see the point. Perhaps irc is the best way to find non-gavinized nodes.
shinohai: To whatever peers it connects to instead of specifying ip's
shinohai: I know it was removed, but when I last spoke to mod6 I think he told me to just connect normally for now
asciilifeform: shinohai: irc seeding was snipped from the gavin branch long ago
shinohai: how does that work?
asciilifeform: shinohai: irc gives next best thing: 100% pre-gavinization nodes
asciilifeform: the irc mechanism is perhaps the only built-in seed thing worth keeping
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 13:55:14; shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149602 << and kept what? the hardcoded ip seeds, of which 2 or 3 are alive? the hardcoded dns seeds, controlled by the enemy? srsly ☝︎
shinohai: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/595601619581964289 <<< the smacktardedness spreads
mircea_popescu: i prefer this, because it drains the attacker.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is the qntra server under DoS?
shinohai: mod6 when you return, wanted to let you know I built without the irc peer discovery and it works nice. ☟︎
punkman: 0.5.3.1-RELEASE doesn't verify everything, needs removal of the conditional that skips blocks
punkman: I think I put in all the patches currently listed on thebitcoin.foundation front page, except perhaps static-makefile.tar.gz. And used whatever openssl etc that was present on my debian7 system.
mircea_popescu: " foundation bitcoind before the release"
punkman: which this?
mircea_popescu: which was this ?
punkman: my test was with foundation bitcoind before the release though
mircea_popescu: get say the foundation bitcoin, do it yourself.
punkman: mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to. << has anyone actually accomplished this? verify every single transaction and block to date?
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:40:31; cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149524 << pretty much exactly. argentine housing bubble is supported by the fact that locals can't get their money out, so they buy real estate "for investment", ie, way overpriced. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:11:43; punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149518 << obviously, you can't use the scam bitcoind versions for this purpose. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: atm the whole chain still verifies if you care to.
mircea_popescu: but they were disallowed from actually taking the next step, ie, make blocks unverifiable.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 09:10:39; punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block.
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 07:22:44; mats: i miss assbot titles
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149466 << yeah, they were useful. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i think reddit awaits you.
bitcoinalpha: mircea: comment about the 30% price decline ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149468 << clearly they were armored o.O ☝︎
mircea_popescu: bitcoin has no shortage of satoshi impersonators trying to push scamcoins.
mircea_popescu: same thing i did about doge, keisercoin, auroracoin, younameitcoin
bitcoinalpha: what are you going to do about gavincoin?
mircea_popescu: lol ddosing trilema etc, srsly ?
scoopbot_revived: F.MPIF May 2015 trading statement http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/01/F.MPIF-May-2015-trading-statement
scoopbot_revived: The sexual chains that bind. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/01/the-sexual-chains-that-bind/
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021372 B (Total: 467.36 B). Delta: 0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000207 BTC [+]
scoopbot_revived: Foundation Report Bring Bitcoin Client Performance Improvement and Testing http://qntra.net/2015/06/foundation-report-bring-bitcoin-client-performance-improvement-and-testing/
cazalla: prob isn't working class people buying it but the chinese.. a lot of foreign investment of aussie housing is coming from china past few years, thought is that they dont mind paying huge premiums just to get their money outta there ☟︎
BingoBoingo: In this part of USia a freestanding house of that size would more prominently be advertsising... vast tracts of land...
cazalla: what.. one million isn't reasonable for that?
punkman: and when I tried to verify all of them, it blew up before block 150k ☟︎
punkman: asciilifeform: decimation: if you didn't verify the entire blockchain from end to end, you aren't a node! << this will be fun to do because of all the different openssl versions that have shat on the blockchain. iirc the thing skips verification of whole blocks and then relies on verifying a single (checkpoint) block. ☟︎
liquidassets: thanks for sharing, so what was unique about the fork, just the interface?
BingoBoingo: Well, it was just the difficulty cycling. For a while it was manageable, but eventually swings were uncontainable
chalbersma: Yes at the time they had a big problem with the network effect. Difficulty had skyrocketed because of some market movement that made it (temporarily) more profitable to mine than bitcoin.
chalbersma: Think is I don't think that anybody is actually using ATC P2Pool implementation anymore. The contract for the build had 1 month of runtime and then MP and Ragnar I believe ran the p2pool node for a while. But ATC didn't seem to catch on that much.
chalbersma: In this case I forked the bitcoin p2pool implementation (https://github.com/forrestv/p2pool) added a better interface and ported it over to ATC pool (under the hoods it're really just a couple of lines).
chalbersma: So with P2Pool the idea is that you will run a mining "pool" that share's it's load with other mining "pools". There a cryptographic chain keeping track of work so that you can't cheat or mine a block and then keep it. So in the end instead of having one centralized plae where all the mining work is kept you get the benefits of the pool with bitcoin like decentralization.
liquidassets: chalbersma mining is foreign to me, do you make the nodes? how do you become a client?
chalbersma: Sure what do you wish to know?
liquidassets: chalbersma can you tell me about atc P2Pool ?
chalbersma: Good to hear.
BingoBoingo: not too bad
chalbersma: How have things been?
chalbersma: Hello all. It's been too long.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
liquidassets: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
liquidassets: ;;rate BingoBoingo leader of men, helped me get started with gpg, knows how to write a headline!
mats: i miss assbot titles ☟︎
hanbot: hey mod6 well done on the foundation report. clearly & intelligibly conveys the ample and useful work being done.
decimation: who else is gonna pay for the sun
decimation: the wright brothers almost immediately began selling to usg
decimation: 'derivative' in the sense that the wright flyer had almost zero in common, other than they were both flying things
mircea_popescu: decimation o, they would, would they ?
mircea_popescu: in this case, henry coanda.
decimation: in fact if you would have zapped an f-35 back to kitty hawk, nc the wright brothers would have just given up
mircea_popescu: decimation the jet is merely a derivative work off hobbysts stuff
mircea_popescu: and someone somewhere still naively proposes the nist be taken as anything but the goskomstat ?
mircea_popescu: "In a short notice published last month, the National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) announced it was retiring a number of Federal Information Processing Standards (FIPS) because they were obsolete. Notably, that list of retirements includes FIPS-185."
decimation: that's a point, but there's a world of difference between a flying bicycle and a fancy jet
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149360 << nothing worth the mention was ever done by anything but hobbysts. they do flight. "industry" and so on does the f-35. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149357 << you must have missed the story about the powerless airbus because java. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:54:08; asciilifeform: imho one of the most perplexing things about 'anti-bitcoin' agitators is how they all - to a man - miss the most cogent argument against bitcoin: it being, how it is implemented
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149352 on one hand, they're talking to a crowd, and for that particular crowd talking sense means you lose. why the fuck they imagine against plainly obvious reality that it still matters or can help them is besides the point here. on the other hand, they don't want to help. formulating cogent criticisms is helping. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: whatcher doin' these days yo ?
assbot: Logged on 01-06-2015 02:28:46; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000096.html << The State of Bitcoin Address
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-06-2015#1149292 << /me greps for ben_vulpes in there, finds entry in title ☝︎
mircea_popescu: jesus the internet's a riot.
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha wait, there's derps actually writing on tardstalk like all seriously and naively and whatnot ?
danielpbarron: ;;later tell Luke-Jr hey look it's that game you like to play! -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoldFvlYwyM
asciilifeform: afaik they still have the 'thin' working
mircea_popescu: used to be russia, amusingly enough
asciilifeform picks up phone, calls airline, asks to buy ticket to country where they have thin smart people with non-governmental money
decimation: heh yeah that's true
mircea_popescu: the entire french language is, in the us, a sort of marketing ploy.
asciilifeform: regardless of what kind of pig you might own, the hucksters will gladly sell you fourteen varieties of s333k0000r1ty!!!11 lipstick for it.
asciilifeform: hence the form factor.
asciilifeform: Vexual: the only (usable) hole in a google pNohe
Vexual: sd card is the only hole on a google netbook?
asciilifeform: thestringpuller, decimation: whether snowden & co. started out as psyop or not, fact is that at this point it is 100% a marketing machine for 'vaults' and 'redpNohes' of a thousand and one kinds
asciilifeform: Vexual: sd card with single-chip 'crypto coprocessor' (a la the atmel turd discussed a few months ago; possibly even the very same) - with extra holy water and marketing drivel included
mircea_popescu: <Adlai> who needs documentation when you have live support << what's this, camwhoring for geeks ?