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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1156029 << probably diddled by request of jp in connection with investigation of 'aum' or the 1,001 other similar weirdo orgs there ☝︎
shinohai: ;;later tell WolfeGoethe One day I shall like to make your MacBookPro go to sleep forever. XXXxxx
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 14:37:49; asciilifeform: as it is, half the time it sees 4294967297 and - naturally - stops there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155952 << it could be made to mill finer but only with addition of particular apparatus. which can just as well be added as a standalone different mill being fed the prequalified choice grains. so let it be, we get to it once the world fails at doing anything useful with its time yet again, in a year or w/e. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 14:25:34; asciilifeform: if it is on account of some imperfection in the design, however minute - different matter
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155945 << eh come on. we arrange for you to move in with one of the dc area sluts for a coupla months, save on rent :D ☝︎
mircea_popescu: (and the shumitsu aka pearl of honesty was, at the time, the head honzo) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: wut teh fuck.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shockingly enough, the muryokoin in muryokoin.org is a... temple in koyasan
shinohai: I can see the advantages of a from-scratch board tho. I have seen various forms of this with arduinos, et all. But that leaves open the possibility of the hardware you are building on being compromised.
assbot: S.NSA first product - The Cardano on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ARLsZ5 )
mircea_popescu: shinohai ^ (see the oldest pages). also http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ and ulterior s.nsa reports
shinohai: At risk of sounding stupid, are these rng boards meant to generate keys in an airgapped manner, safe from those who are trying to break/weaken encryption?
mircea_popescu: an' in other news... wife trainin' http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md9261g2Uf1rfc12eo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: but i believe that i have explained the basics.
asciilifeform: the restless folks are also invited to visit #b-a (or my personal mailbox, gpg plz.)
asciilifeform: meanwhile looking at other manufacturing houses aiming to compete with mf.
asciilifeform: after these in fact come back, in working order, we carry on with step 2.
mircea_popescu: just, you know, teh nobles are getting restless.
asciilifeform: currently waiting to see what they will say re: the cause of the five dud rng.
mircea_popescu: if they run with it, a well. what's called a write-off.
mircea_popescu: this is a business, not a tech decision. they've not run with a hundred, can be trusted with a k.
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as they seem to replace duds, i think we can expect.
asciilifeform: it is useful data if i can expect at least one working board in the batch.
mircea_popescu: an you judge that ordering a few boards to produce a few prototype cardanos is not useful data ?
asciilifeform: think of it as venus mission. the probe is allowed to burn, yes, but needs to transmit some useful data before burns up.
mircea_popescu: nobody forces them to use em if they're broken, but we gotta know.
mircea_popescu: yes yes but the sapper doesn't get to contemplate his fate for too long and remain a sapper.
asciilifeform: the actual problem is that the sapper gets to err two or three times, at best
mircea_popescu: im confused as to the actual problem is then
mircea_popescu: you spec an order of boards meanwhile to be ~1k
mircea_popescu: well so then.
mircea_popescu: what, they're a dollar a pop ?
asciilifeform: that's the thing, buying 1000 units from mf is suicidally stupid
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, who wants to do buy me ~1k worth of parts with this outfit ?
asciilifeform puts this on list to ask
mircea_popescu: says on their site or something ?
asciilifeform: i asked the www, l0l
mircea_popescu: i dun see it. how do these people get paid anyway ? paypal ? or what is it ?
asciilifeform: the big deal is that we're dangerously undercapitalized.
mircea_popescu: i can arrange for them to get a wire, what's teh big deal.
mircea_popescu: you know, seeing how they seem to replace defects etc, it would not be the end of the world to blow a few btc on just ordering that half dozen as is
mircea_popescu: so basically, you're preparing a more mf-friendly board design (mostly to improve testability) and intend to have them try make half a dozen or something ?
asciilifeform does not often do 'serious thought'
asciilifeform: this takes serious thought.
asciilifeform: this isn't lethal, but it does call for certain revisions in mainboard design. presently, i have reopened it, adding test points. and considering splitting mainboard in two, even. (also for testability)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, what's the plan with it currently ?
mircea_popescu: well if the rng is 30ish and the board 100, we could easily expect 3^2 that many defects in the board.
asciilifeform: if the rng batch is any indication of general quality of the vendor.
asciilifeform: i mean that we have a pad defect rate of about 15 percent.
mircea_popescu: so, didja mean a fedect free batch ? or else did all the items meanwhile turn defective /
mircea_popescu: let me do teh summing hm ?
asciilifeform: the above essentially sums to 'the problems of poverty'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha there you are
asciilifeform: as it is, half the time it sees 4294967297 and - naturally - stops there ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 06:16:02; mircea_popescu: yes, moduli that it flags should be put through a proper factorization. this is a task a) separate from what phuctor does and b) to be done indepentently of what phuctor does.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155850 << not quite. it's a mill of sorts, and it could be made to grind finer grain with minimal effort. ☝︎
asciilifeform: e.g., -imagine- i pull the trigger and am out of several 10e3 usd. i now have half a dozen complete units. none of them function. what have i learned? that i am retarded? or that there is a solder void beneath a different decoupling capacitor on each board, summing up to a dud in each case but indistinguishable with my instruments
asciilifeform: it has to be unambiguous.
asciilifeform: the defect rate is of concern because of the impossibility of -immediately and conclusively- establishing WHICH when i get the crate.
asciilifeform: if it is on account of some imperfection in the design, however minute - different matter ☟︎
asciilifeform: if i get a crate of duds on account of manufacturing defect, that's one thing, they take it back, try to fix. this costs months of added delay, but can live with
asciilifeform: among other things, it means that the first batch of cardano HAS TO work.
asciilifeform: undred and seventy-seven times, cut once' attitude.
asciilifeform: i must point out, for what is probably the seventh or eighth time, that i have no safe means of selling any bitcoin whatsoever while i live in usa. (selling for paper money, theoretically possible and suicidally dangerous, does precisely nothing to offset ANY of my living OR engineering expenses.) THEREFORE entire operation is financed from my fiat salary. this imposes certain constraints, and a 'measure seven-thousand seven-h
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 06:19:43; mircea_popescu: in unrelated but more interesting news, it's been pointed out to me pluriously by now that http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2015-statement/ fails to include some rather interesting points, chiefly what about the rest of the cardano, other than the rng ? has it been ordered ? is it to be ordered soon ?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155855 << this was covered in an earlier broadcast. considering that these things will cost several hundred usd -each- to produce at mf, i would like to establish that they can produce even -one- defect-free unit of that board size and pad count. thus far, the defect rate suggests that they could not. ☝︎
shinohai: heh MP made the list @ #4 https://www.coingecko.com/buzz/bitcoin-leaders-speak-up-block-size
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shinohai: Let's hop over to reddit and see if I can make my head hurt this early in the morning.
cazalla: guess ya could put ya beer there while ya bang her from behind
shinohai: hmm ... butt tumor?
cazalla: what's the hump at the top of her butt crack though
shinohai: yw cazalla. I am generally good with it all, as long as it isn't "OMG it's COMING TOWARDS US!"
cazalla: nice, i like em about that size shinohai, maybe a little less but all good
mircea_popescu: and to round off the bellbottoms point from before : and all sorts of things that AREN'T stupidities, various tiny gems ensconced in the broader turd get washed out with the water.
mircea_popescu: dear world : fuck you. you will adapt to every nook and crany of our thought. ESPECIALLY the really painful, apparently gratuitous ones. love, ~the "libertarians".
mircea_popescu: "The libertarian Bitcoinists need to get out of their bubble. Yes, they created BItcoin, but it doesn't belong to them, it belongs to anybody and everybody, and it simply can't live on existing as it did in 2013."
mircea_popescu: in other news, fresh from the ranch of unmanly grips, http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqczh9dc1m1qc6pb2o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: i don't understand how the world works.
punkman: they get followed on twitter!
mircea_popescu remembers a quainter time, back when to be a leader one first had to be followed. a time when "being certified" was another way to say "being insane". stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155785 << dude check out the "leader" factory. i wish to know, are these leaded leaders or unleaded leaders ? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: to understand why, think of someone making a map. he doesn't ask "does this rock benefit anyone or may i just omit it from my map ?" because while the thing may not benefit, the omission sinks ships.
mircea_popescu: you may never consider "the benefit" of design when designing, in these terms.
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 01:04:22; williamdunne: Would there be any particular benefit to that in its intended usage? JSON/MsgPack/whatever all work fine with anything I can imagine being necessary on the web
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-06-2015#1155723 << this is bad design in principle, merely asking this question. if you visualise the stuff of design as a graph, what this does is introduce a cyclicity in it, which makes the graph no longer computable, or for that matter usable. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: let's not confuse the humanity we see reflected in the eyes of the beast with the actual beast.
mircea_popescu: every stupidity's excused by youth, people genuinely think the 80s were cool just because that's the first time they got laid. people actually used to think bellbottoms look hot because they remembered them filled with round butts of the fillies they cared about, back in that age.
assbot: The great post of rebuttals on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkFRPT )
assbot: Logged on 06-06-2015 01:00:02; trinque: williamdunne: on the one hand there's a superficial "did I make it do something, and did it 'work'"
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1dkFxkj )
mircea_popescu: in unrelated but more interesting news, it's been pointed out to me pluriously by now that http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2015-statement/ fails to include some rather interesting points, chiefly what about the rest of the cardano, other than the rng ? has it been ordered ? is it to be ordered soon ? ☟︎
jurov: it won't stop running soon. i have in pipeline some 1e6 rsa keys from github i'd like to kindly bestow upon phuctor
mircea_popescu: let anyone with a clue (tm) do it themselves, it doesn't take much more brain than what a chicken has to cluck at the freshly disturbed ground for that's where the worms are.
mircea_popescu: you don't include bakeries into wheat harvesters to be driven across wheat fields, and you don't need phuctor to do everything either.
mircea_popescu: yes, moduli that it flags should be put through a proper factorization. this is a task a) separate from what phuctor does and b) to be done indepentently of what phuctor does. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: at the time phuctor was designed in 2013, the idea was that no keys could ever be factored. for this purpose, phuctor as designed is exactly adequate.
mircea_popescu: lol you're in the position of someone who made a moon exploration vessel, discovered life on the moon and is now kicking himself for not having included a condom factory in the ship.
decimation: lol punch tape to program the robot