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mircea_popescu: moreover, there is a list of idiocies that may not be not smitten
ascii_field: but my original point was, that if picking up the hammer of the gods, if/when the day comes, one may as well smite ~all~ the known idiocies, vs. only a subset
mircea_popescu: the obvious "because our esteemed leader says so" (which already carried, exactly once, when the versions prior to 2 were forked off) doesn't carry, as the closest to such a thing extant in bitcoin is against it.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of any flailings of random idiots (gavin & all), there can not be a hardfork until such a time as we have an answer to that question.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ? << the fact that this question has not a good answer as of yet is perhaps the principal roadblock in the way of considering a hardfork at all.
ascii_field: gotta love folks who write proggies using fixint time after 'y2k'
BingoBoingo: as the software is now it will likely complain, but this seems like something to be fixed in the software client rather than the block format
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's unlikely it'll roll over without complaint. for one thing what's 0xFFFF - 0x0000 ? is it < 10 ?
diametric: possible to get a sample capture?
mircea_popescu: diametric apparently you're getting ~14gbps worth of random packets. it's going to come back up in the coming hours as it's being mitigated.
diametric: cool thanks
diametric: ;;later tell mircea_popescu my bitcoin isp server and ikvm went offline about 15 minutes ago. wondering if its just an outage or something else going on.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 14:37:07; asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167737 << if i omitted anything from the list of 'what remains' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167631 ), everyone is invited to comment... ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:30:55; mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167733 << doing this sanely - which is to say, more or less precisely as i described - is neither quick, nor especially pleasant, nor remunerative. i fail to see why it would ever happen at all... ☝︎
ascii_field: (see the old thread re: a hypothetical ada/spark bitcoind)
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:21:50; mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167721 << at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 15:25:48; *: mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction
assbot: The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd2BhZ )
assbot: The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1er74Sd )
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state << endnote iii 'sorely equipped' --> 'sorely underequipped' ?
punkman: why is timestamp used for difficulty?
danielpbarron: and it's a somewhat frequent occurence for the blocks to get mined "out of order" where the higher block height has a lower timestamp
danielpbarron: afaik, it has come close to happening already
danielpbarron: i don't think it would invalidate things if two blocks had the same timestamp
danielpbarron: the timestamp is just used to figured out the difficulty
jurov: what if... someone mines such a hash that it loops back to genesis block?
BingoBoingo: By combining 32 bit time and blockheight a hardford should be entirely unneccessary to deal with this. Can be handled in the bitcoin daemon
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting << Shouldn't it just roll over, no hardfork required? ☝︎
mircea_popescu: will sign their ips too.
mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one ☟︎
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ? << I think the Foundation will have one, and I'll run a separate one of my own I'm sure.
mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules. ☟︎
danielpbarron: sure, but block zero would still have the old unix time stamp in it, or else it wouldn't be valid, right?
mircea_popescu: everyone can just throw out their old computers. not like they're useful or anything.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 07:17:21; danielpbarron: can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167403 << there's no reason to stick with the old unix time convention. bitcoin time, starts at block 0. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 07:09:26; danielpbarron: does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167394 << it wasn't ever 21 precisely, the asymptote is somewhat under that. ☝︎
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J65Qsf )
mircea_popescu: and in no case can people who aren't even aware of this hard requirement for hard forks be regarded as anything but the bumbling imbeciles discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/ entry i.
mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting ☝︎
scoopbot_revived: Shaun Bridges Pleads Guilty to Silk Road Theft http://qntra.net/2015/06/shaun-bridges-pleads-guilty-to-silk-road-theft/
nanashi_: I was envious of the later three "No" betters (refunded), I'm sorry!!
mircea_popescu: nanashi_ thanks for pointing it out.
mircea_popescu: myeah. mod dropped teh ball, an' as a result im out a coupla bitcoins now.
nanashi_: I am "143Cz" better. I know I lost the bet, but I'm surprised the later three bets (which were all "No") were refunded (which they should not).
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nanashi_: Am I talking to a right person (about Freeseas bet inquiry), mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: i do not know you. we can't talk privately for this reason.
nanashi_: Should I speak at "mircea_popescu tab" (which is (I think) more private?)
assbot: BitBet - FreeSeas INC, NASDAQ:FREE, will trade at least 0.10 USD per share before 1st July 2015. :: 3.26 B (44%) on Yes, 4.19 B (56%) on No | closed 10 hours 21 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1J62PZ7 )
nanashi_: Could I make an inquiry about BitBet's Freeseas Bet? The first three of the last four bets were "No" bets, so they should not be refunded (though it seems it's too late...).
funkenstein_: so it will be with a whimper, and not with a bang then?
mircea_popescu: i'd give him anything else rather than decades.
pete_dushenski: give alf a decade or two and we'll have fpga's this useable
pete_dushenski: lego is that one toy that works like it says it will on the box
pete_dushenski: moral being : don't blame the mice who made the doodles
pete_dushenski: the permutations and combinations that even 3k pieces would give you is pretty awe inspiring
pete_dushenski: is that kid gavin ?
mircea_popescu: cue kid come visiting, "hey, is that the car ???" pointing at a yellow futuristic looking bridge with some wheels attached
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what some jerk thought he would do if he had your toy ?
mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction ☟︎
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: 10k piece ?! sweet baby jeebus that a big one.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left. ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
scoopbot_revived: The problem of the state. http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state/
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <-- c) missed a chance to exercise imagination (use it or lose it) ☝︎
mircea_popescu: o yeah, used to get my mother all the time.
pete_dushenski: not that a healthy stash of lego would hurt
pete_dushenski comes back, sees that fluffypony was joking. breathes sweet sigh of relief.
pete_dushenski goes to stock up on 'pre-fairness' legos
jurov: i planned to look to the patches.. then eulora came out
asciilifeform: see also therealbitcoin mailinglist
asciilifeform: so if anyone would like to do it first, please go, do.
asciilifeform: caveat: i cannot now say ~when~ i will do this experiment.
asciilifeform: (now that we appear to have bounded memory footprint, adding swap is no longer 'slowing death' but 'slow life')
asciilifeform: if this can be had, result will become part of a 'buildroot' for pogo with swap-enabled.
asciilifeform: then will see what obstacle, if any, remains to a static+uclibc build.
asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this) ☟︎
assbot: Ex-U.S. Agent Charged With Bitcoin Theft to Plead Guilty - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhqDJS )
pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-18/ex-u-s-agent-charged-with-pocketing-bitcoins-reaches-plea-deal << shaun bridges (not to be confoozed with carl mark force) pleads guilty to silk road thefts
asciilifeform is sorta imagining a 'studio audience' of folks who might actually consider using 0.5.3.next on the battlefield, pending some actual clarification of wtf we did to it
asciilifeform: rather than mircea_popescu & co
mircea_popescu: tracherous thing.
asciilifeform: good thing it mostly consists of minus signs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have read in the sense of moved my eyes over them and decyphered the letters. i have not read in the sense i understand this sufficiently.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it most certainly is. though it will get squeezed when i roll out the multicore phuctoratron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you think it feasible to run one on nsa servers ?
mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few.
asciilifeform: mod6 has the resource consumption data on the apparatus in question (assuming mod6 and ben_vulpes decide to ratify the requisite patches which added up to that sample)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:33:47; mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.