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trinque cheats and just boots a moduletronic kernel,
then "make localyesconfig" and rebuilds
a111: Logged on 2019-02-09 19:58 asciilifeform: ( change all yer 'M'
to a 'Y' .. )
trinque: phf: ^
this familiar at all?
trinque: it looks like both
the symlink and
the path symlinked commingled
☟︎ trinque: mod6: a/profiles/home/mod6/cuntoo/cuntoo/build/usr/portage/profiles/releases/17.0/package.use.mask <<
this for example is not a valid path for anything
mircea_popescu: well at least
this discussion's narrowing down
the paths issue
mod6: I'm 98% sure
that I got my vdiff out of diana_coman's starter_v.zip, lemme double check.
trinque: I suspect I have a different vdiff
than both of you
trinque: mod6:
the curious
thing is
that you have full paths in just *part* of your genesis.vpatch, in
the same exact way diana_coman did
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 03:41
trinque: ftr
there are loads of interesting uses for initramfsen; we will have
tooling
to make
them, but it has
to come absent
the sin of
the load-all-modules
thing and "lemme go automatically mount whatever root I can find" and miles else
mod6: ok so next marching orders are
to not do
the USB Stick, and `lsmod -v` compare; but instead, will
take a few days
to look into initramfs, and
then
try
to build another?
trinque: no great shock
that hating oneself so can't stand on its own forever
mircea_popescu: shockingly similar
to an autoimmune disease, all
this.
mircea_popescu: kinda lulzy, considering
they can't really stand up for five minutes without
them. no cobain
there
to argue for alternative
to mp worldview, what's left ?
mircea_popescu: im sure he fucked a bunch of seattle cokewhores without asking
them.
trinque: nope,
there'd be cobain me2 by now if he hadn't eaten it
trinque: mod6: can I get
the genesis.vpatch ?
trinque: loller. john k still apparently allowing himself
to be unpersoned after having admitted
to having
teenaged girlfriends, instead of joining
the republic.
mod6: Oh, no, I got side
tracked. It never did match up for me. Let me check on
the latest one
that was output.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 03:04
trinque: I still want
to know whether your genesis.vpatch matches mine, and
this is at least as important as whether it produced a bootable drive
trinque: very little justification for writable root. I've fiddled with
the CD burning
too.
mircea_popescu has been playing
the same heroes 2 for 20 years now. if it were on chip it'd have hurt nothing.
mircea_popescu: in any case, on a sane system
that's stable
there's ~0 reason
to have
the CODE on disk.
mod6: Ok, starting small, I got you. I dunno where
the fire is either -- I don't know why I'm in any sort of rush here.
mircea_popescu: initramfs seems
the logical intermediate step
to romware.
trinque: ftr
there are loads of interesting uses for initramfsen; we will have
tooling
to make
them, but it has
to come absent
the sin of
the load-all-modules
thing and "lemme go automatically mount whatever root I can find" and miles else
☟︎ mod6: I suppose
there's some good wisdom in
that. I wouldn't want mircea_popescu
torch his
trb if it does weird shit on a 'getinfo' either.
trinque is quite familiar with
the impulse
to
torch
the
thing when it misbehaves, but it's not going
to get us a distro we own.
mod6: you know? I
think learning about it is a fine
thing, probably would make me understand
the errors of my ways.
mod6: but, I just followed some steps, I didn't know
too much about what it was doing, or myself.
mod6: so i just wiped
the disk again and moved on.
mod6: you know, at one point i did actually handroll an initramfs on cuntoo, at which point I updated
the /etc/lilo.conf and when I booted, and it panic'd, it did drop me into a shell.
trinque: yeah, comparing a boot with initramfs
to one without would be a fine
thing; even better would be for you
to bake your own initramfs sometime with say busybox, and have
the init script drop
to a shell so you can see what it is
mod6: ok, but it is understood
that we're
talking about
the same box
though, right?
trinque: proposal is
that you investigate what initramfs is, which will lead
to an answer on why one worked on
the box you had before, which will lead
to why you don't need one
mod6: and if alf's way seems like a sane
thing
to
try,
that's what I'm working on now. otherwise, I'm all ears and can adjust as you see fit.
mod6: i suspect
that if we did have a beer irl, some of
this would be cleared up.
mod6: lol. I'm gonna have
to do
that when reading
trinque. Just add accent.
mod6: lol, not
trying
to guess your state. your language seems strong, so I sense irritation.
trinque: even willing
to look at your box with you sometime
mod6: Anything
that even remotely looks like
the finish line seems like a win -- even if it's not.
trinque: 0% offended man, I'll ask you
to stop guessing at my state.
mod6: Like I said, didn't mean
to offend in any sort of manner. I just got excited,
thinking I was on
the right
track, and
tried
to get
the
thing up and running. I mean, shit, it's been like 13 or 14 days now of reboots, inflations, etc.
mod6: I'll
try
to do
this
the way
that #t sees fit. but, on my own, left
to my own decision making (as I don't know much about
these
things) might be a bit askew.
mod6: no worries, we'll get
there.
mod6: Cool, yeah,
that
too.
trinque: I very much want you on an actual cuntoo because one of
the immediate needs is a
trb ebuild.
mod6: Ok, even if its not. I'm just saying I'd never expect anyone
to follow
the initramfs
thing or any other
thing. You know way more about what is kosher in gentoo/cuntoo
than I do.
trinque: any more
than my amd zenwhatever
thing with 30 firmware
to load before GPU will work properly
trinque: I don't even
think your box is a piece of shit.
mod6: I'm not asking you
to add my posbox foibles into your config.
trb/ada/musl
that I want
to
test on
there doesn't care what kernel modules are loaded.
mod6: Ok, I see
this as distinctly differnt.
trinque: recall
the work with
trb, and how much better a patch
that removes is
than one
that adds.
trinque: that we have something
to muntz further, and I'll strongly oppose any argument
to ADD
to it without hard justification
mod6: Anyway, do you agree with what alf has asked me
to
try next?
trinque: I'm saying
this is
the aim in my building
this item.
mod6: Are you saying
that your claim is
that is what I'm saying, or is
that what you are saying?
mod6: I'm not sure
that I get your meaning.
☟︎ mod6: But alf helped me
to realize
that
there is a way we can still
try
to diagnose
this issue by
trying
to boot off of USB stick, so I'm going
to attempt
that first before any more initramfs stuff.
trinque: so
then. a core claim I'm making is *this is all I have ever needed
to boot a sane linux on commodity hardware for years*
mod6: I posted a jpg of
the beginning of my genkernel. Basically
there is another similar command
to make
the initramfs. Both end in failure
that I spoke about above.
trinque: and by
the way, note how easily "I did not read
this
thing; I just want
to use" bloats
the holy
tree of meaning is illustrated here
mod6: So if you can glean soemthing off of my exp.
that's great. I just didn't view
the problems with my pos box
to be super helpful
to you.
trinque: what's
the dependency chain of what you chose? how much additional weight do you bring into
the genesis.vpatch for portage?
mod6: I don't quite see it
that way, I'm just
trying
to do Foundation work,
that does overlap with
the Cuntoo work.
trinque: so now you need an initramfs; what are you going
to use
to build it?
trinque: so your goal is
to have a computer for mod6 on
the back of my work, and if it incidentally helps get
the cuntoo
thing done, w/e
mod6: But not matter what happens, I'll be sure
to provide you with any information
that I can provide. Who knows, maybe
this is a shit system or some such.
mod6: well,
that's a win for me,
the only
thing
that sucks is you don't get
to make your improvements from my own experience.
trinque: what is
the consequence of
that?
trinque: lemme come at it another way. suppose your result here, absent my help, appears
to be "this hardware only boots with initramfs"
mod6: Maybe we're
talking past eachother a bit here. Anyway, I don't know much about
these
things. I'm kinda learning bit by bit as I go... it all certainly doesn't "fit in head" or whatever yet.
trinque: this is
the entirety of
the problem
trinque: eh dude, explaining
to you what's an initramfs is not calling you a fool.
mod6: I'm
the fool here, not you.
mod6: Trying
to make an educated guess, or educated experiment I suppose. Are you disappointed
that I
tried
to make
the initramfs? If so, why does
this bother you so?
mod6: Sometimes
that means
taking a shot in
the dark, even if it's misguided from
the point of view of someone who knows better.
trinque: do you recall how
to interact with
the logs? I responded
to some lines of yours
there. what of
them?
mod6: trinque: I have little clue of what I'm doing. I'm just
trying
to solve it, in
the only ways
that I can.
trinque: nor would "mod6 now knows about initramfs and what
they're for" do anything but set you up
to understand later
tools I have for
the republic
that actually use
the
things properly
trinque: my
telling you
that you're doing so incorrectly is not an emotion
mod6: If going
through all
the motions
to
try
to figure out what
the actual hardware problem is, and it'll get me across
the finish line, great. I'll do
that, but I
think you're acting as if I'm somehow
trying
to violate you.
mod6: I'm just a guy,
trying
to boot
the
thing so I can
test something
totally not related
to kernel mods.
mod6: You have
to understand,
that I'm not
trying
to piss you off here. I don't even look at it on
this level.
trinque: so "because I have
this amulet" I'm not interested in what
trinque is
trying
to
teach me about what
the amulet is?
mod6: I'm not a "kernel hacker guy", so I've been down
these roads based on
trying
to emulate what I see working in my other machines, and various online posts in
teh gentoo forums and others.
mod6: So
the
thinking behind initramfs: 1. I have one on
the working gentoo on
that box, 2. from what I've read
that can help with various kernel related problems