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punkman: I just started a stator patched
to not skip VerifySignature, wonder if it'll work
this
time
punkman: so... did
the DER chain lose
the race?
mircea_popescu: he's still alive. never
trust
the living. for all you know he ends up like donald
trump, doing reality shows in his 70s
midnightmagic: (but Perelman's a safe bet because he's a recluse and
there's no possibility of
that image ever being shattered)
mircea_popescu: "and
then we came
THIS CLOSE
to selling out
to amazon for 5
trtillion"
midnightmagic: Nobody wears a halo
to me. Well. Maybe Grigori Perelman..
midnightmagic: No, not
to me. He wears
the halo
that makes large audiences cheer for him instead of
throwing spitballs, when he says he should revoke everyone's commit access and be a dictator.
mircea_popescu: he only wears
the halo ~to you~. because you're a particular sort of inner build, and because you ate a particular diet.
midnightmagic: Dude wears
the Halo.
The other scammers don't matter so much. And if I really cared, I'd be doing something other
than flicking out belly button lint in
the shower. I'm just curious
to know why *you guys* stopped.
mircea_popescu: the legions of hell are
truely an infinite headcount. why do you care so much about some particular schmucks in
the chorus ? why not
that
tv scammer dude while you're at it, what was his name
mircea_popescu: heck, kenna and
the armandi fellow are prolly due for a novel attempt
too
mircea_popescu: any idea how long
the list is ? even nefario is making
the occasional reappearance.
mircea_popescu: and lawsky's going around
trying
to scam people like a resurected antonopopo derpopopop.
midnightmagic: Because
they haven't stopped yet. Hearn's submitting pullreqs he's going
to use as propaganda
to push people
to -XT, and Gavin's going
through
the bip/pullreq motions when he knows he's going
to be voted down. Again.
mircea_popescu: next
time
they'll need some
they... ahem... won't read b-a logs etc once more.
mircea_popescu: why ? point's well made, everyone's happy
to be part of bitcoin by standing on borrowed intelligence. let
them.
midnightmagic: Externally combating a blocksize increase with articles, comments, and discussion external
to -ass.
mircea_popescu: in
this sense
the halo's about as stretched as gavin's mother.
midnightmagic: He is while he's riding around on Gavin's back.
The Halo's right
there above him.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:38:25; midnightmagic:
The Satoshi-Halo-Wearers.
midnightmagic: :-P No, just wondering why you
think anyone else is more capable
than you are at ensuring a value-destroying fork doesn't happen.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:33:28; decimation: why not solidify
the questionable openssl code first, before lightly restricting certain signature forms?
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:24:27; midnightmagic: Unless you are implying people outside
the bitcoin world are voracious readers of
the -ass logs, as far as I can
tell in all
the articles, reddit posts,
twitter feeds, etc, I don't see more
than a passing mention. But even if
that weren't so, really I'm a little disappointed
the wind all went out of your sails, as it were.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:18:37; midnightmagic: it's all a question of how much you
trust your ability
to make code
that converges on consensus. are you so awesome you can either sit on an old openssl, or write your own replacements? are you so godlike you can write
testcases for every corner-case, bugs and all? I know I'm not. Maybe you guys are. I dunno.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:14:44; midnightmagic: because, like I said, I
think some people in
there appear
to be adding exploitable code with absurd frequency.
midnightmagic: No, but I do know for a fact
that procrastination has saved my life at least six or seven
times. :)
mircea_popescu: you familiar with my observation re alf's "folk with brains are useless -
they want
to use
the brains"
that in
terms of "optimal impact", you're always better off waiting ?
midnightmagic: And sipa, it seems, agrees with you, hence
the existence of libsecpblah
midnightmagic: I meant
to suggest
that
the amount of effort of doing it oneself compared with
the projected risk of it happening while someone else is working on it.. which option is less expensive/reliable?
mircea_popescu: it is in point of fact better
to have a static build
that specifically ennumerates blocks prior
to height X and
then proceeds from
there,
than
to have
the present situation.
midnightmagic: Almost like a sort of mass-ennui/retirement mentality.
Tired of working for something
they don't believe in anymore.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:11:21; midnightmagic: well,
then we have
the forking risk I mentioned above: what happens when
the openssl people make a fix or
the internet finds a bug in
the component
that we depend on? If we sit on 0.9.8 or whatever
the version was before
those idiots got
their hands on it and started adding malicious exploits, what happens?
mircea_popescu: whose great-grand parents noticed, while
taking
the upper-middle class mandatory "tour of europe",
that
the italians similarly etc etc.
mircea_popescu: an exquisitely african
thing
this, as late as 2000 one could notice
that all
the egyptians seem willing
to do is stand in front of
the pyramids with
their chests pushed out, or else gesturing importantly. meanwhile...
the people who built
those
things don't look anything like
the arab mongrels currently populating
the place, if extant statues are
to be believed.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:06:56; decimation: why isn't anyone seriously attempting
to extract
the open-ssl code paths used by bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: pure spaghetti mess, wherein no soul can
tell where
the pasta ends and
the cook's hairs begin
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 06:06:14; midnightmagic: I'm familiar with
the DER-encoding change
they made, and I'm aware of, if not familiar with, every major bug in openssl since 2001 or so. Could I draw a line between releases
that had bugs and releases
that fixed
them? No. Not even close.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 05:54:09; midnightmagic:
that is
the inverse of what will happen as more-efficient mining equipment arrives.
mircea_popescu: i mean, other
than painting
the picture of
the vermin in unflattering
tones, which it does. in
the field it can do precisely jack.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 05:26:45; decimation: I would also note
that
the bitcoind github commits and comments lie about
the IsSuperMajority machine.
They say
that
the mandatory rejection won't
take effect until 95% of
the blocks are incremented - but in fact it's only 950
mircea_popescu: but at any rate : setting
the "nversion"
to maxint has at least
the important symbolic significance of saying "this is
the last version".
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 05:13:46; decimation: at any rate
this whole rejection machine can be permanantly jammed by setting nversion
to MAX_INT
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:51:34; asciilifeform: (for as long as it carries under 'technical',
the weasels can whine, wheedle, emit 'reasonable reasonings', even persuade
the persuadable)
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, being critted for > 9k ironies over something like
this is beyond comedic.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 04:47:46; decimation: I would say
that on its face, bip66 isn't such a
terrible idea
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 03:04:15; asciilifeform: but it would stand
to reason
that miners will eventually exert more
tx fee pressure
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 02:46:46; asciilifeform: what i
think would be considerably more useful is a provision for 'programmable checkpoints'
mircea_popescu: (an important point about co2 extinguishers is
that
they also cool when deployed.
this effect is significant. heavier gases - not so much)
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 02:07:07; DanyAlos: I was looking for #bitcoin-assets on
this search engine (
http://irc.netsplit.de/channels), and realized
that it is not listed. Is
there any particular reason for not being
there?
trinque: nice way
to read
the source
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 01:14:46; asciilifeform: (virgin
tears? vodka ?)
ben_vulpes: midnightmagic:
that's some wack ass disingenuous shit. you jumped in on
the n block consensus line.
decimation: at any rate, I'm going
to sleep, I'm sure others will comment
tomorrow on
this discussion.
thestringpuller: midnightmagic:
there really isn't news. just gavin/hearn having a
temper
tantrum like a little kid because
they want more subsidies for poor people.
decimation: I
think
there's a general ambivalence about what bitcoin-devs want or do
thestringpuller: midnightmagic: cause I fucked up my shoulder being on
the computer all day at work so I read comic books instead after work.
ben_vulpes: i
thought you said you were reading logs!?
ben_vulpes: dumpblock, eatblock, exposure of
the ancient blockchain is quiet now?
midnightmagic: thestringpuller: not at all, I mainly wanted
to know why you all were being so quiet lately. :-P
ben_vulpes: nah we seem
to have defused
the antagonism for now
decimation: yes. ultimately
this is war, and we have a strategy