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mircea_popescu: no,
the problem with landmines atm is
that
they can't be safely defused
decimation: apparently some mobster in amsterdam recruited a couple of nerds
to exploit shipping companies
mircea_popescu: i'd like land mines like
that. so would every army out
there.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you need a million
tyler durdens.
decimation: I view
the firewall/nat problem as much bigger
mircea_popescu: but notice
that
this does not run as far as
the previous
mircea_popescu: what you want is
the alleged minialfs who exist. people who supposedly could use
the head, but somehow magically "not enough fuel"
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> point of pogo is
to allow well-meaning but illiterate or even stupid people
to run
therealbitcoin. << no. well meaning stupid is
the LAST
thing we want. i'd rather import us academia.
mircea_popescu: and if
they fail
to find it, or
to
take it, you have no case.
mircea_popescu: and
the followin line does not follow. some intelligent people are poor, or more
to wit : some poor people are (allegedly) intelligent. i doub
this is
true. but if it were, pogo is
their way out.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> you know i'm not even convinced a node *should* be stood up without human intervention. <<
this may be
true.
decimation:
http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/onwire.html The symmetric modes operate using a sequence of rounds, each consisting of a
transmit packet followed by a receive packet, but either of both of
these packets could be lost. A round is correct if both packets are correctly received. In order
to verify correctness of
the protocol, it is necessary
to prove a liveness assertion;
that is,
the protocol always yields a correct round even if after
decimation: plus
the behaviour of one node over
time
decimation: asciilifeform: it's really hard
to imagine when < 100 ns accuracy is nearly freely and reliably avaialable
decimation: asciilifeform: as
to ass-to-mouth system, it depends on your error model for
thblock
timestamps
decimation: this doesn't solve
the "pogo clock is shit" problem
decimation: ben_vulpes: it seemed
that
there was some some concensus around
the idea of randomly selecting a small set of ntp servers out of a large pre-defined set
ben_vulpes: anyways, how do you plan
to handle
this on pogos?
ben_vulpes: the
thing is miserably bad anyways, why would anyone want
to use it?
decimation: about 80% of it: use ntp! no
time itself is owned by usg and so are all servers and isps!
ben_vulpes: do y'all eventually get
to why averaging out umpteen 2016 blocks won't work in place of
timekeeping?
mats: and windoze updates on
this box still
takes hours wtf
☟︎ mats: i set up a raid0 with
two SSDs
decimation: yeah apparently
they killed all
the mammals
Vexual: theres no land
to slow
the wind at 50s
decimation: it's relatively warm because of
the gulf stream
Vexual: maybe, i dunno whats in
thr almanac
decimation: usg charges for
their nautical almanacs
Vexual: fuck
thats a long way north
Vexual: decimation: sight redution
tables for nother lats are avail from .mil in pdf
assbot: Long
Term Almanac 2000-2050: For
the Sun and Selected Stars With Concise Sight Reduction
Tables, 2nd Edition: Geoffrey Kolbe: 9780914025108: Amazon.com: Books ... (
http://bit.ly/1HMFRnX )
Vexual: what if your
tables are from 1997?
funkenstein_: for longitude, i believe
there is a book by sobel or something
Vexual: can you describe celestial navigation
to decimation?
funkenstein_: it might be an interesting simulation
to see what would happen if not only all nodes but all miners had no real clock
funkenstein_: reminds me of Eddie Murphy's grandmother: "What
time is it?"
Vexual: i
think alf set his clock
decimation: mats: amusingly 'unamusement park' is
totally blacklisted from all search engines