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assbot: Ten Years After - I'd Love To Change The World (lyrics) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NShKVE )
bagels7: Hi, does anyone happen to know the title of that trilema article that explains how women are immature and basically blame men for their shortcomings
assbot: In Russia, selfie takes you, prompts official “safety selfie” warning | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1NSgQIW )
punkman: kakobrekla: no, but I've been there a few times
gribble: #22382 Wed Jul 8 08:30:46 2015 punkman SELL 1.0 night @ 1.3 btc (Seaside villa in Creta, Greece. 4bdr, sleeps 8, a/c, wifi, etc. 3min walk to beach. discounts on certain dates. http://i.imgur.com/DqYiA5O.jpg)
funkenstein_: the problem of what kind of clock foot soldier P needs depends on exact specification of role foot soldier P needs to play
funkenstein_: <asciilifeform> i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. <-- there was one called liquidcoin ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 05:16:27; ben_vulpes: * williamdunne currently has a neck that looks like Cheetah fur, lovely patterned bruising << furries, asphyxiation...
cazalla: good logs, good meal, no good wine to go with it but 2/3 ain't bad eh ☟︎
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 04:25:37; mats: and windoze updates on this box still takes hours wtf
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-07-2015#1192874 not TRIMmed, praps? ☝︎
ag3nt_zer0: "But getting the game into a person's hands immediately after they have been raped, for example, won't always be practical, so the team tested whether it could still work a day later – after the memory had been consolidated and slept on." haha
mircea_popescu: anyway, hopefully they manage to prop it, because if they do not and people start unwinding us holdings on the grounds of the massive yuan profits to be thus made, that's that.
mircea_popescu: imagine what will happen if month later no china crash is seen? but USA has advantage that it will never feel shame. one lie does not come true, there is another one. and in the end they can still say china has hacked usa without any evidences. Repeating lies 1000 times, it becomes truth. that is how USA invaded Iraq.
assbot: Exposed to Greek banks, Balkans brace for trouble ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjRY22 )
punkman: lots of greek banks in the balkans, I wonder what's gonna happen with those
assbot: Tetris blocks traumatic flashbacks even after the memory is fixed - health - 06 July 2015 - New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1RjR4mf )
punkman: I'll stock up on Tetris http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27846-tetris-blocks-traumatic-flashbacks-even-after-the-memory-is-fixed.html
mircea_popescu: after this unwinds 1929 will look like glbse by comparison.
mircea_popescu: yep, it's the end of the world.
punkman: "The eurozone has given Greece until Thursday to present new proposals to secure a deal with creditors, and has called a full EU summit for Sunday."
trinque: meanwhile they did not do the one thing that might've been interesting (that I can see), which would've been to fire pg_notify events when the results of a given view change
trinque: and they had the nerve to *RENAME POSTGRESQL TO SOMETHING ELSE*
trinque: all they did can be done with triggers, background workers and materialized views
trinque: ben_vulpes: so pipelinedb turned out to be YC shitware
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: thanks guy
ag3nt_zer0: !rate shinohai 1 great help to noob ☟︎
ag3nt_zer0: !rate trinque 1 very helpful to noob
asciilifeform: state-of-the-art till the '50s iirc
asciilifeform: until then, it's voodo
asciilifeform: what i meant was, i'd like to see a rational calculation of why the freq.
decimation: actually I suspect the solar wind buffeting the magnetosphere is a factor
asciilifeform: (was also thinking of it earlier today)
asciilifeform: decimation: i'm still waiting to read a non-batshit explanation of schumann
assbot: Schumann resonances - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1IIq0aS )
asciilifeform: which can now be your timebase.
asciilifeform: essentially you want the entire network to have a 'resonant frequency'
ben_vulpes: balancing of rewards for being mage/barbarian/etc over time
ben_vulpes: players vs. the game. conversation in ars.
ben_vulpes: i think mircea_popescu designed something like that for eulora
asciilifeform: still trying to model this.
asciilifeform: basic idea involves 'left-handed' and 'right-handed' miners, with game-theoretical reward matrix of being one depending on the first derivative in the hashing power of the other.
asciilifeform: and thus i am not entirely sure who would find it interesting here, and why
decimation: sounds like it would involve incrementing the protocol version
asciilifeform: i promise to explain this later.
asciilifeform: the solution is to force the miners themselves into behaving like a pendulum with a period from which they, collectively, deviate at their peril.
asciilifeform: i linked to it to illustrate the sheer batshit
asciilifeform: it is clearly not the solution
decimation: that auto-scaling-difficulty thing seems crazy though
asciilifeform: at least, clocks in the usual political sense.
asciilifeform: i'm more partial to cryptocurrency that doesn't rely on clocks. ☟︎
decimation: I have a few sketches for such a thing, but I can't get around the problem of fixed keys that need to be distributed to listeners
asciilifeform: after the current set gets ddt sprayed on them ☟︎
asciilifeform: i suspect that mircea_popescu might answer that it is for the next set of miners
asciilifeform: if 99% of miners use gavincoin and spv, what is the use of therealbitcoin ?
decimation: if 99% of miners use usg time, what's the use of wot-time?
asciilifeform: and the wall time i want to know is specifically his
decimation: you just said, rsa can solve that problem
asciilifeform: how the fuck do i know what is on the other end of ionosphere?
asciilifeform: most fundamental problem is that distributed clocks are infinitely sybilable.
decimation: this only emphasizes the point that there needs to be alternate communication media available
asciilifeform: but these do not add up to a trustworthy clock.
asciilifeform: rsa also exists, and this prevents certain other spurious items
asciilifeform: some things cannot be faked.
asciilifeform: i can tell a zero-diff block and so can you
decimation: but is applicable to the entire bitcoin enterprise equally
decimation: so your objection boils down to 'enemy controls means of communication'
asciilifeform: if we were in space war, could probably carry on with something like the naive notion of clocks
decimation: how is this not the case?
decimation: at any rate, your objection to coordinating clocks seems to boil down to "can't carry messages of a known latency over spacetime"
asciilifeform: chunk of meat in the desert, that flies have not found yet
ben_vulpes: * williamdunne currently has a neck that looks like Cheetah fur, lovely patterned bruising << furries, asphyxiation... ☟︎☟︎
decimation: if your point is that they are centrally disciplined that's probably true
asciilifeform: the thing is a house of cards
asciilifeform: and notice how easy it is to spoof'em
asciilifeform: try to grasp the difference
asciilifeform: decimation: timebases!
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> phf: No, not yet. On OpenBSD I'm running an 0.7.2 derivative with LibreSSL 2.0 just to see how it behaves. << how's the libressl build going?
decimation: and yet, even usg manages to keep orbital rb clocks ticking
asciilifeform: just so happens that the universe is 'bad hardware' for that.
asciilifeform: i am trying - and apparently failing - to make the point that there is no such thing as 'good hardware' for finding out 'what time' it is on ~my~ atomic clock from across an ocean.
decimation: ultimately there's no substitute for good hardware
decimation: yes, true
asciilifeform: if your local clock is shit, i can still induce you to rely on it more, more
asciilifeform: decimation: re: 'round trip' ntp - you still are at the mercy of local clock's accuracy when computing the trip time
asciilifeform: 'isn't that bad' l0l
asciilifeform: then swear with your life that it's 100% covered
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> want a fucking WALL POSTER << codebase isn't that bad, should be doable by hand :P
decimation: also 'we need soldiers who can do that'
asciilifeform: it'll be generations after a sane computer exists that this kind of thinking even gets a chance of drawing to a close.
asciilifeform: this is what 25 yrs of winblowz did to the mind
asciilifeform: 'computer', to an experienced commander, means 'twerp will cast a spell and enemy will walk clean across, shredding you'
decimation: yeah plenty of folks die trying to learn how to throw gernades
asciilifeform: 'get killed 10 times' is actually doing pretty well ahead of the curve!
mircea_popescu: drop 1mn mines, get killed 10 times.
mircea_popescu: a 99.999% success rate is the last thing you want.
asciilifeform: dun think thats why
mircea_popescu: you'd be rich with this. fo realz.
asciilifeform: the 'safe defuse with key' thing already exists