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spyked: dorion_road: so I'm sort of a "master of none", I guess. but in general, I'm interested in doing any infrastructure work required
to get a
tmsr-os up, I
think I can handle it, with probably some ramp-up
time
to learn
the code. imho needs figuring out what's really needed
tho, e.g. from
your list, what work is required for bootloaders/biosen and wh
spyked: so I'll add
that bug
to
the
todo list for fixing
spyked: diana_coman, no, not really. just didn't add
the extra list reverse in
the right place.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:59:17 dorion_road: spyked what area(s) most interest you and you
think you're a best fit for ?
spyked:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953704 <-- not sure what'd be
the best fit,
tbh. I'm an odd one, spent years studying
the
theory re os and systems in general. but as far as actual work goes, other
than my
public work, I've been doing mostly maintenance (bugfixing, a bit of feature development) for linux kernels driving custom hardware/schedulers/netwo
diana_coman: the spec doesn't say more
than "queue"
there.
diana_coman: spyked: ah, so you mean
that
the
trouble is just
that
the message queue is lifo instead of fifo really?
spyked: what happened is
that
the comments prolly got queued as
they came,
then
they got sent in
the reverse order.
spyked: diana_coman, it was down until just now. and no, it doesn't guarantee any order,
though
that's prolly an easy fix, should push
them
to
the queue in
the other order.
diana_coman: spyked: doesn't feedbot report comments in order? it just reported in pm 3 comments on an article in reverse order (and a couple of hours late by
the looks of it)
jfw: Or if anyone's interested in
taking
that on, hit me up.
lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and
then
the bot installed on server, import
the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
lobbes: in other news, I've got
the
blog echo complete.
Two ways
to quote: 1) can use
the log line reference link 2) or use a standard #select; bot will read out what is in
the "<span id="select">"
tags.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-28 17:36:35 nicoleci: lobbes, nice
tagline 'Mangled
turd every single day' lol
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-27 18:52:46 dorion_road: On
the ownership front, so far we have bvt on
the kernel, ave1 on gcc and lobbes on ebuilds/package management.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 23:23:50 mircea_popescu: lobbes, if you refrain you'll never know what's wrong with
them eh
BingoBoingo: Yes,
the left coalition did indeed lose more
than
the opposition coalition won, but it means something differed
than oldgendered fellow imagines
BingoBoingo: In local headlines: Mujica: "no ganó la oposición" sino que "perdió" el FA "que se quedó demasiado
tranquilo"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: May
they keep plopping out lulzy shit in
the Queendom.
BingoBoingo: The banana democracy
thing applied
to Uruguay seems
to credit it, unwarrantedly with a banana capable climate it doesn't have. Uruguay's literally a moo-cow democracy.
mircea_popescu: as
they say,
the one common element of all your relationships is...
BingoBoingo: Names are for
things
that get invoked without being explicitly seen.
mircea_popescu: nfi why
they give
them names anyway, i can usually recall on
the basis of face-and-tits, but names ?!
BingoBoingo continuing
the crawl while
the oven works and Peruana minds
the clock.
mircea_popescu: it's a constant "um, roxana... who
the fuck's roxana. oh." "monica ?" "ah" and so on.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i'm going
through archvies, knee deep in 15yo hanbot pics over here and such
things.
BingoBoingo: If
they locked Mujica up after shooting him half a dozen
times in
the 70's
they probably aren't going
to start now.
mircea_popescu: beats being hauled off
to
the execution squad, which'd be
the usual course of business.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I suspect a number of members of
the outgoing coalition are headed
to jail in a smaller version of
the Brasilero carwash
thing, starting with
the losing presidential candidate and including everyone appointed
to a position at
the refined petroluem products monopoly.
nicoleci: lobbes, nice
tagline 'Mangled
turd every single day' lol
mircea_popescu: well yes it's a process, gotta build up all
the "nobody could accuse" ofs.
BingoBoingo: This is notably a walkback from
the Fat Forehead position of "We'll wait for
the certified result"
BingoBoingo: Though
the Fat Forehead candidate is starting
to concede. Apparently for
them conceding is a process...
BingoBoingo: And in
the second, definitive count of ballots...
things so far look a lot more like
the decisive advantage
the polls gave
to Lacalle Pou
http://archive.is/2gOYO mircea_popescu: i'm not about
to pile up compatibility hell atop
that already mountaineous
task, you know ?
mircea_popescu: jfw, moreover, whoever makes
the compiler probably has first choice.
jfw: ah, much of 'libiberty' is another
thing
that comes
to mind
there; has old and buggy implementations of
things like regexp from before
they were widely provided by vendors.
jfw: there is ugly complexity in gcc
to support
this multitude of systems, such as 'fixincludes' and of course autoconf
jfw: The split existed historically in
that
they developed as separate projects; gcc works with multiple c libraries as musl works with multiple compilers. Perhaps mircea_popescu is inquiring into a deeper question of whether it's right
to maintain
the split (presently - I've no idea)
dorion_road: mircea_popescu is
that a rational cut of
the work in your view ?
dorion_road: so I am expecting whoever owns
that
to genesis what is chosen.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 15:33:20 jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953705 - Could be.
There's a decision
that will be needed between glibc, dynamic musl, static musl, some mixture or framework with multiple options, or what.
This is a part of
the server vs. graphics split
that bvt mentioned, or work vs. play if
that's a fair characterization of
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road:
The other priority areas of ownership
to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well
the chorros had been
taking guns off of girly gops walking
the beat for at least a year. Now
the dudes get beat. Interesting
to see where
this'll lead.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 12:23:32 BingoBoingo: In local weather, no rioting yet.
Trend
this week seems
to be attacks on various sorts of police functionaries in and around
their homes
http://archive.is/j8q0W jfw: Confidence built
through WoT and all.
jfw: cool, if we gotta
trust a binary anyway, probably no reason
to prefer
theirs
to his.
diana_coman: jfw: ave1 has GNAT running on musl, no need for
the frozen Adacore version really.
jfw: Besides proprietary GPU drivers
there are other "traditional Linux"
things not likely
to run on musl with any amount of futzing, such as compiled non-static binaries (proprietary apps,
the Adacore GNAT distribution) and "enterprisey"
thinks like authentication plugins; I can't speak
to whether we should care about
these.
jfw: My view of musl is
that it's substantially smaller and cleaner
than glibc, but still has a substantial rate of bugfixes mixed in with feature additions. My sense is
that many of
these are in
the area of
threading / concurrency, for which
they wrote a new implementation of
the userspace part, and also an area I'm less familiar with
though wouldn't mind improving on.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 15:01:28 dorion_road: jfw I know you've spent a good deal of
time with musl in
the process of getting Gales statically linked , do you
think owning
the c library is a good fit for you ?
jfw:
http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-27#1953705 - Could be.
There's a decision
that will be needed between glibc, dynamic musl, static musl, some mixture or framework with multiple options, or what.
This is a part of
the server vs. graphics split
that bvt mentioned, or work vs. play if
that's a fair characterization of
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:50:04 dorion_road: jfw in your Gales Linux articles, please address bvt's question in his
tmsr os
article about
the mb weight and contents of
the bootstrapping/package management/developments
tools.
jfw: BingoBoingp, guessing
that's panamaserver.com , panamaservers.com looks like a parked domain. I'm not familiar with
them.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: fwiw
that panamaservers
thing failed my very initial filtering hence I didn't even bother jfw or dorion_road about it and
the
thing with customer service and support doesn't sound
that great
to me either.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road:
The other priority areas of ownership
to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 21:56:33 BingoBoingo: jfw dorion_road: Do you know anything about an operation calling itself Panamaservers.com? Of particular interest, is Panama a small enough place you maybe ran into
their last Customer service and support manager?
bvt: dorion_road:
the kernel rng vpatch will be finished on
this weekend (i have all
the components in
the benchmarking blogpost, just need
to clean
things up).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 16:57:31 jfw: It's a Linux distro I put
together, in a couple stages, based on gcc 4.7, musl, busybox userland, exclusively static linking
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:08:07
trinque: and you have fewer men
than you'd like, and I'm not going
to pretend
to be 20, and
then cry when I fail at it.
that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about
two orders of magnitude less
twine and shit
than "standard linux distro"
dorion_road: To expand what I'm
thinking re userland,
the choice as far as I see is between stage3 via Cuntoo or
Busybox a la
Gales + whatever addons are not included in Busybox.
dorion_road: jfw I know you've spent a good deal of
time with musl in
the process of getting Gales statically linked , do you
think owning
the c library is a good fit for you ?
dorion_road: spyked what area(s) most interest you and you
think you're a best fit for ?
dorion_road: The other priority areas of ownership
to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.
dorion_road: On
the ownership front, so far we have bvt on
the kernel, ave1 on gcc and lobbes on ebuilds/package management.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:49:58 dorion_road: lobbes
the
understanding ebuilds self-assignment is a good starting point in
the meantime as
the strategy clarifies. How about you explain
them
to yourself in
the form of a blog article(s) ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:03:31 lobbes:
http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-11-26#1953620 << sounds good
to me.
The mp-wp bot needs
to be completed/delivered
this week (which I will have some extra
time
to do so due
to upcoming US holidays). Once I get
that and
the auctionbot work estimation complete, I will propose a deadline for my ebuild 101 homework.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-26 19:26:28 dorion_road: lobbes Reading your
latest plan, looks like auctionbot work remains outstanding useful. How much work/time do you estimate for
the auctionbot updates ?
dorion_road: trinque, bvt highlighted you
there as well, your input would be appreciated.
dorion_road: jfw in your Gales Linux articles, please address bvt's question in his
tmsr os
article about
the mb weight and contents of
the bootstrapping/package management/developments
tools.
dorion_road: bvt, I've been reading your kernal and
tmsr os articles; I must say
they are a pleasure. I'm integrating many of
the points you've made in
the article I'm writing
to clarify
the plan here.
dorion_road: how about you publish a review of
the current status and plan moving forward on you blog ?
That'll help us shorten
the feedback loop.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-17 12:42:50 ave1: I was genesing it, and will continue
to do so. But with feedback in
the loop. So, for example, gcc comes with an old STL html documentation
tree, can
this be dropped? (I would say yes)
BingoBoingo: In local weather, no rioting yet.
Trend
this week seems
to be attacks on various sorts of police functionaries in and around
their homes
http://archive.is/j8q0W diana_coman: well, on
the bright side,
there's nothing better
than "forbidden!!!"
to make it interesting
to youth.
mircea_popescu: so in practice it's like... "hey, now you're old enough
to be forbidden
this great palace where all
the cool shit is"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in "stupid old women with no sense of humour" news, it
turns out
the uppity old women lobby in our failed new world colonies change what
there passes for "laws" so
that nobody under 21 can buy
tobacco (used
to be 18), and
that
there's dedicated
tobacco-alcohol shops. which are
these places wherein nobody under 21 AND OVER 12 can go in. even if accompanied.
diana_coman: ah, it's comment_author for
trackback, makes sense.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: do you know where in db are
trackback's contents ? I replaced dianacoman.com in posts and in comments, apparently not in
trackbacks, hm.