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mircea_popescu: decimation sure, rich like the chiabur.
decimation: plus, maybe if the 25 year old is Napoleon you can get rich on some awesome loot
phf: i guess if your life is dull, might be better to be limonov. so it's a wish fulfillment, i.e. "when the zombies come i'll be the badass survivalist guy". i'm still not sure why byron did it though
mircea_popescu: ah, sure then.
asciilifeform: in more or less the same sense that all other vigorous and healthy activity is sexual
mircea_popescu: trinque it doesn't follow you should give a shit about yourself ; it doesnt follow even admitting that the world is of interest.
asciilifeform: is it better to be married to a desk ?
decimation: asciilifeform: the thing tends to feed itself. the new army officer's position depends on the old officers being exiled, thus they are married to the adventure
asciilifeform: for the same reason why pink prime gurlflesh is more appealing than the circus horrors BingoBoingo linked
trinque: if I care about myself in the slightest?
trinque: doesn't my being embedded in the world necessitate being concerned with its state?
asciilifeform: the idea of biodieseling the sclerotic aristos and their imbecile offspring is appealing to healthy folks, imho
decimation: it's appeal to Napoleon to finally rule the world
mircea_popescu: ah, that's plainly obvious. they;'re appealing like rape is appealing. their bloody violence is sexually satisfying.
asciilifeform: for the 'armchair general'
asciilifeform: trying to formulate a hypothesis here
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mircea_popescu: ;;google monty python "the theory which is mine"
mircea_popescu: and if you don't, why even bother with the trappings.
mircea_popescu: because, mind, if you actually got something to say might as well say it.
decimation: it's possible the derp could be Napoleon
mircea_popescu: which brings us right back to, "what do you wish to say, anyway"
asciilifeform: actual revolution means that 25 y.o. schmuck can transform to commander with personal death authority over ten thousand.
mircea_popescu: phf well if you can explain the difference between these two...
mircea_popescu: and then get clueless working cl;ass kids thinking "it's theiur calling" because totally, that's how the world works, with "Callings"
mircea_popescu: a lot could be said about it, let aside that nobodyu'd care, so why shouldn't a phd be offered ? once it's offered, why should it wear a red striope in its id, "this shit's pointless nutso stuff fopr rich people" ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: I think seeing the world as it is, one imagines there could be another where there are leaders with as you say, interesting things to do
phf: mircea_popescu: i see now what you mean by "for the stupid", re "neglect of consequences". i always thought that was a character flaw though, not necessarily sign of intelligence
mircea_popescu: i am bracving myself for the "sociology of sociologists of obscure fields" phd.
mircea_popescu: "sociology of the theatre" ? such deadly refinement by now.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or time.
decimation: well, keep the local da as part of your tribe :)
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo need some dough to press that
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BingoBoingo: mircea I mean https://archive.is/ChrKw happened. I don't want to say "civil case" may be in the pipes, but... thank scientology http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/slap-can.htm
mircea_popescu: the 100 mn business majors looking to change the world in the US notably ARE energetic enough to run macdonalds.
mircea_popescu: decimation obviously trhey'd be outsourced.
decimation: and they would likely be easy to escape
decimation: meh. usg doesn't have the energy to startup death camps
mircea_popescu: whosoever can not do this is stuck being a bureaucrat not a revolutionary, no mattert the context.
phf: i move few blocks away from where they burned down MOVE compound. though those guys were genuinely .. not quite there
mircea_popescu: see ? not so fun for the stupid. "true freedom" comes from a neglect of consequences.
asciilifeform: very easy to 'give less of a shit about govt' all the way until you find yourself trying the 'be tribal' thing in a usg death camp.
mircea_popescu: is there even ?
mircea_popescu: this is all fine, but there's a bridge between "my cunt itches" and "i'm married now"
asciilifeform: even re: the 'tribal' bit.
asciilifeform: and limonov was there in 1995.
asciilifeform: what trinque said.
decimation: follow his advice, be tribal, give less of a shit about govt
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm gonna die anyway, and this sucks.
mircea_popescu: organised crime is also fun. also for the stupid.
mircea_popescu: phf they ARE fun, yes. but only for the stupid.
decimation: I like this 'new barbarian' guy
phf: revolutions look like fun though, "we were trully free on the barricades", that's why all those bored aristocrats would travel to third world countries, if they failed to start shit up at home. positive long term effects not so much
mircea_popescu: a lot of thankless, boring work, that.
trinque: mircea_popescu: mhm, and I don't claim at this moment to have a proposal
mircea_popescu: this entire "my revolution" thing seems to me a lot like "i wanna be on a stage, like carlin!" well ok. and to say what ?
mircea_popescu: trinque the better q, of course, being what are you going to say ?
decimation: a bunch of crazy egotist adventurers taking power
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The aftermath likely. Dun want to tip the hand too early.
asciilifeform: address all inquiries re: force multipliers to herr tesla
decimation: revolution is the last thing anyone should want
trinque: I don't think anything good can come of anything which requires populist buy-in
trinque: asciilifeform: need "force amplifier" like your "mind amplifier" and forget about the derps
decimation: more likely: haho jump from the next border
asciilifeform has been wondering this since he was 4 y.o
BingoBoingo actually pretty pumped about hearing tomorrow
trinque: I will admit to reading about various revolutions over the years wondering "where's mine?"
asciilifeform: as in, folks who board five unmarked planes to get to where you're dug in
trinque: eh I could get myself done that way this evening if I wanted
asciilifeform: trinque: getting killed by a dedicated usg death squad is an exam of sorts. can one pass this exam and not be someone worth considering ?
mircea_popescu: right. i suppose to bring this to an edge, we could ask alf to explain difference between jack warner and clark gable in terms of che.
trinque: or that populist movements like that are at all desirable
trinque: I'm not much convinced che's anything other than a celebrity
mircea_popescu: i was speaking as to success.
asciilifeform: i am broadly unconvinced that mr cartel is in any sense more intelligent than che. more narrowly focused, yes.
mircea_popescu: haven't seen that many lambs in lion tshirts so far.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is already suspicious.
decimation: managed to get loads of betas in frats to wear his face
mircea_popescu: meanwhile any random mexican cartel owner is right now out of jail and if he's in he's running a brothel of the guards.
asciilifeform: not cutting throats
asciilifeform: the intelligent are sitting in some cellar, cranking out nth numerical approximations to schrodinger's eq. for system of five atoms.
mircea_popescu: this is a problem. and, much more importantly - he failed. he failed uniformly, predictably, throughout. hard to see past this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the virility, audacity etc aside, and the guy's very seductive smile aside - he wasn't very intelligent.
BingoBoingo was kinda sad when mega fire did not hit during mega drought year of 2012 here. Would have been good for the Morels.
asciilifeform: brezhnevobama - the concrete, yes
mircea_popescu: but it's notreally the same thing. just an exam
asciilifeform: the 'blade of grass in the concrete'
asciilifeform admires the audacity and virility of che et al separately from the peculiar follies of 20th c. mega-empires
mircea_popescu: socialism is still the doctrine of unadorned stupid, and it's still this in large things as it is this in small things - be it revolution or your daily dealings. stupid stays stupid.
asciilifeform: eh that's sorta like saying that 'forest fire failed' - because there are still, somewhere, trees.
mircea_popescu: it failed in moscow as it failed in beijing - the successors are today more capitalist than hamilton, and for good reason.
mircea_popescu: it failed when che tried it abroad, and humiliatingly. it failed in castro's hands, at home.
mircea_popescu: re "And so a better example for Syriza to follow, were they to suddenly stop being Europe's pathetic poodles and don the mantle of fearless, heroic revolutionaries, is still the good old Russian revolution of 1917." << one willing to eat up this dollop should best remember that socialist revolution failed.
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