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ben_vulpes: which, trivial.
nubbins`: it's all about single-origin these days
asciilifeform: phf: neat. unfortunately i'm not in that town often
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak ☟︎
nubbins`: !s the buggers held full control
nubbins`: asciilifeform this is the guy w/ the ramblings i occasionally post
asciilifeform: let's package'n'sell ~his~ turds?
nubbins`: (was at friend's house one hung-over morning. his wife places chocolate chip pancakes on table in front of him. he starts chewing, massive crunching sounds. i raise eyebrow; "coffee beans", he says)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Monsanto the Doge!!!
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS << noises were gorgeous
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i bet pigs would work just as well << May need an obligate carnivore for musk from the anal glands. Perhaps physical Doge may have a use.
nubbins`: or even that next year's batch will be fit to drink
nubbins`: doesn't mean all coffee from that region is great
nubbins`: too stupid to realize that coffee is produce
asciilifeform: esp. if bred for the task
nubbins`: but i've never seen a serious coffee cupper give kopi luwak more than a 7/10
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. << I have the feeling a ruminant's multiple stomachs could defeat even a bean.
nubbins`: i guess the intestinal juices / fermenting impart a flavour
nubbins`: nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow.
shinohai: I always feel like reddit started that trend or something
nubbins`: picks the choicest ones
asciilifeform: why not feed it to horses, cows
asciilifeform: nubbins`: when i learned about this coffee, as a boy, i immediately wondered why they use this animal and no other
nubbins`: and sell the beans for $150/lb
nubbins`: pick the intestinal worms out of the diarrhoea
asciilifeform: and could no more move to than france or argentina
nubbins`: kopi luwak = let's take some weasels, cage them, force feed them shit-quality coffee
asciilifeform: which i've never been to
ben_vulpes: i have 2 top-notch joints within 5 minutes stroll.
asciilifeform: because that's what's in every street corner.
asciilifeform: point being, the only coffee i or anyone i know can readily access in <10 min., is office pot or shitbux
shinohai: Hey there is always Kopi Luwak
ben_vulpes: my buddy goes through a TEU of raw cacao beans every year or so.
asciilifeform thought this was well-known
phf: nubbins`: oh, that was re asciilifeform's comments. there's plenty of good coffee in philadelphia
mats: asciilifeform: we'll see in a decade or two. this is my life's work.
asciilifeform: (started mega-roasting or whatever it is they do)
ben_vulpes: how can you trust their roasting if you can't trust their tasting?
nubbins`: real coffee shops filter their water
asciilifeform: there used to be a drinkable coffee in wash.,dc
ben_vulpes: they don't have the water necessary to make coffee you can taste
nubbins`: phf maybe there is!
phf: i'm surprised there isn't some hip coffee shop with brooklyn roasted beans in silver spring..
ben_vulpes: our coffee's just about the best one can buy in this town.
asciilifeform: if i feel like coffee, i get to choose between shitbux and the office pot.
asciilifeform: but i dare say that at this point, it's a microshit:
nubbins`: because of drive-thru bozos spilling out of the parking lot and into the road
nubbins`: it's a regular occurrence these past few years for Timmy's drive-thrus to have to be rebuilt to accomodate more traffic
asciilifeform: phf: this described mcd, yes. but starbucks also has a kind of pretentious-twit appeal (or once had)
nubbins`: phf same thing with Tim Horton's in canada
asciilifeform: mats: i have never personally known anyone who achieved great power or access to astonishing s33kr1tz through re. but i am willing to concede that somewhere, they exist.
phf: starbucks is kind of like mcdonalds, and the same reason microsoft won, guiranteed same mediocre experience, so if you're driving through north carolina and you need your caffeine fix, you don't have to engage any mental faculties, because there be dragons outside your comfort bubble. i've noticed that with a lot of my starbucks loving friends, for them it's kind of like "i know this, this is starbucks"
asciilifeform: mats: i ask, because i've never (afaik) met anyone who ~decided consciously~ to study it
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: even the impression that powdered cheese belongs is a bad one
mats: yeah I've heard that, I only just finished the pilot
asciilifeform: mats: if it's no secret, what was your motivation in the first place for it ?
mats: my motivation to learn RE has been flagging recently and this is just the ticket
nubbins`: mats it was a bit light on the actual tech stuff for my liking
mats: http://www.metacritic.com/tv/halt-and-catch-fire this is p good
nubbins`: the experience-seller waited until the end of the convo to tell us that she'd be listing the house $30k below market value and if we didn't like that, find someone else
BingoBoingo: Several decades of "marketing" and you've got generations starting life with the impression that powdered cheese belongs on noodles
nubbins`: i'll do x, i'll do y, i won't do z, here's a tote bag
nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her ☟︎
nubbins`: first one was very businesslike: what's the house like, how big, how much you wanna sell it for
nubbins`: we were thinking about selling P's house a few months ago. talked to a couple of realtors
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is it some brain infection ? << Yes, disease was 1950's USia. The appearance that came from the plenty of being only "civilized" area not torn to shit in the 1940's and agriculture's strain to provide real food. Marketing got really good at pushing "tv dinners"
gribble: The Last Psychiatrist: Don't Hate Her Because She's Successful: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/03/dont_hate_her_because_shes_suc.html>; No Self-Respecting Woman Would Go Out Without Make Up: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2013/01/no_self-respecting_woman_would.html>; The Last Psychiatrist: Who Bullies The Bullies?: <http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2014/05/cyberbll.html>
nubbins`: ;;google trappings of power site:thelastpsychiatrist.com
asciilifeform: but that anyone would ~choose~ the fuffle - is beyond my puny brain
nubbins`: they think they're drinking it.
nubbins`: starbucks drinkers do not realize that the real thing exists
asciilifeform: the only reason i can picture is if they are convinced that the real thing cannot be had
nubbins`: why would anyone want the trappings of power instead of the real thing?
asciilifeform: i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ? ☟︎
nubbins`: starbucks is dominant because people want the experience of buying coffee more than they want coffee.
nubbins`: but really it's so they can swap out bean X for bean Y in Holiday Blend and nobody notices.
asciilifeform always suspected that 'starbucks' is dominant for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with food, or with consumers choosing x over y
nubbins`: they claim this is so they're not selling you pesky water-containing beans but fully-dried coffee goodness
nubbins`: starbucks roasts all beans to "second crack", which is the entry point to "dark roasts"
nubbins`: that's because they roast all their fucking beans too dark.
asciilifeform: because they mandatorily overcook
asciilifeform: it tastes like shit
nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit ☟︎
asciilifeform: because there are virtually no other coffee shops, as such, where i live
asciilifeform: possibly the fact that it was not made by microshit and did not have the familiar msdos ANYWHERE in it
asciilifeform: if you're a kid in calcutta watching a b&w tv, where americans drink it - then yes!
nubbins`: in the sense that starbucks is rich man's coffee.
assbot: Logged on 09-12-2014 02:39:31; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow)
nubbins`: cocoa API is more nextstep than anything else
asciilifeform: os 9 was the last actual apple os
nubbins`: i had a colleague who used to carry around his macbook air in a manila envelope
phf: i like to show mcl to people who rave to me about some new feature in visual studio
nubbins`: i thought you couldn't even turn those back on again once they powered down.
asciilifeform: ah there.
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phf: BingoBoingo: i use that ibook for mac os 9 now, with kaleidoscope, hypercard, mcl (macintosh common lisp). i boot it up from time to time and it feels like the cyberpunk future that never was
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels << I usually do the presentation with a "clean desk" to heighten to realization that this machine was small enought to allow civilized other work at desk, as happened in age when computer was office accessory.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: got an a1237 in the fleet - won't ever upgrade.