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diana_coman: no "pings" for instance; but
that wp_list_comments method has specific parameters at least according
to docs
diana_coman: it's mpwp
that does same
thing in
two different ways; all I do is
to conform
to its different ways; and no; in db
the comment_type is (as I checked) with 3 distinct values: empty string, "trackback" or "pingback"
mircea_popescu: the function is just a wrapper on
the exact same
thing, wp_list_comments('type=comment'); is exactly SELECT * FROM $wpdb->comments WHERE comment_approved = '1' and comment_type = 'comment'
mircea_popescu: you're doing
the same
thing in
two different ways -- one place you ask for an empty
type,
the other for a "comment"
type
diana_coman: in one place it does a direct select in db ; in
the other it uses its own function and
that has its own parameters
diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
that's in mpwp, what can I do if it does same
thing in 2 different ways?
mircea_popescu: it's really
the same conditional, shouldn't it rather be and comment_type = comment' ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally --
there's a divergence in your patch. on
the first heading you say and comment_type = '' but on
the second heading you say
diana_coman: well,
the way
this goes
then is simply
this - I should have passed
the vpatch making on
to a more junior person
then; because ok, familiarity -> figure
the shit out but
the fixed cost of vpatch packaging is what it is
mircea_popescu: as
the man said, "you wanted me
to design a
typeface, it
takes 10 minutes + a lifetime dedicated
to preparing for
those 10 minutes"
mircea_popescu: i guarantee you it'd have
taken anyone else > 30 minutes
to figure
the shit out. just because you have
the massiva advantage of perfect familiarity doesn't mean so much,
diana_coman: no, it's not about
the loc and I specifically did not mention loc.
diana_coman: code changes
that
took 30 minutes, lol; not sure how can one define it more precisely in
the general like
that, it depends on a lot of
things after all.
diana_coman: hence
the "will have
to wait until
they accumulate"
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, it's neither about
the write up (after all, I did it *because* I considered it needed) nor about
the 20 minutes on it; it's about
the fact
that a vpatch containing ~30 hours worth of changes would have
taken ~similar in writeup and
the rest.
mircea_popescu: maybe
the problem here is one of expectations management.
mircea_popescu: arguably a press + vdiff +
test press + sign shouldn't be half an hour, but it seems
to me by now we're
trying
to measure
the measuring
tool, it's not even clear
the measurement
tolerance is narrower
than
the width of
that "shouldn't". by how much shouldn't it be half hour.
mircea_popescu: now,
that
time shouldn't be excessive ; but 20 minutes hardly strikes me as excessive, dunno, is
the argument here ?
mircea_popescu: honestly it doesn't seem
to me
the breakdown you have is unreasonable. it will
take some
time
to write
things up.
this
time SHOULD be
taken,
there's no benefit from "oh, let me mention
things vaguely and anti-usefully in
the log", it's worse
than nothing, it's a cost upon
the future.
diana_coman: the grating
thing being also
that
the only alternative I see would be "drop it in
the logs/blog" as a clue/how-to and
then keep searching for it or something.
diana_coman: at any rate,
the hour was spent: ~10 minutes figuring out
the change and making it directly on my blog so
that
the results were clear; ~30 minutes for full vpatch process: retrieve+press current v-tree
to head; make code + manifest file changes;
test press of result & check + final sign; ~20 minutes for write-up + upload + overall final check.
diana_coman: not
to mention
that I specifically packed more
than just
the initial change
that you were pushing, precisely because of
this issue -
the overhead on a vpatch means
that small but useful changes will have
to wait
to accumulate.
diana_coman: maybe
that is
true
though I
think it shouldn't be.
diana_coman: it can be said also
that "well, 2 lines of change
taking 10 minutes
to do should NOT HAVE BEEN a vpatch"
diana_coman: sure, you can say "you're an idiot, set out your workbench better"; maybe it is
that; I
think
there's more
to it
though but probably I'll have
to find some
time
to scope it and write it down.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: mno, it's not just a matter of "tools were not set out properly";
tools were set out and
there was no
time lost gathering
them or whatever; yes,
there is some inevitable delay when using key, for obv reason but by now
that part is as streamlined as it can currently be.
mircea_popescu: taylorism ftw, half
the
time
the problem's one of "you know, if you set out
the
tools on
the bench BEFORE you got
the hot piece out of
the oven, rather
than run around
the smithy holding a chunk of red iron while looking for
things..."
diana_coman: and
then ofc something stares me in
the face but I can't yet even fully scope it, gah.
diana_coman: should add
that I
think
the problem is relatively superficial ie one of
tools as
they currently stand, not one of principles.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
trouble is
that it's *not* development
that is painful-er, not at all; it's...publishing
that is painfuller and I doubt
that has any merits.
mircea_popescu: then again,
that was pushed
through in a different context, maybe needs reexamination
mircea_popescu: well, ideologically
the
thing stood at "let development be painful-er
than entirely painless, it'll produce better code in
the end".
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 17:10:06 mircea_popescu: do we have a problem
there, is it ?
lobbes continues first
thing
tomorrow, but for now sleeps
lobbes: in other news
bracket linking now functional in mpwp logger.
Tip of
the hat again
to asciilifeform, as I ended up lifting his bracket linking code verbatim from
the reader.py
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-29 15:20:21 mircea_popescu: lobbes, except if you do
that, i'd rather do it on
trilema.com first
jfw: mircea_popescu: nifty,
thanks. Will see if I can accomodate on
this pass; otherwise what I'd be working
toward is a wallet
that's still "declared" but with keys not accessible
to node.
mircea_popescu: bvt, yes, but
this was also deliberate -- i suspect current v
toolset could well benefit from some hardcore usage
to iron out inefficiencies, wrinkles and crumples.
jfw: Luby / LT codes? Got a paper on
that waiting in a nearby pile, heh
mircea_popescu: this is lubby, at
the root of it. look
through
the log for it, and
then read
the math. but it's not just math ; it's one of
those places where philosophy masquerades as science.
mircea_popescu: jfw, after all, if q = a + b and p = a + c and r = b + c
then q + p - r = 2a. if as are addresses and qs are wallets, one needn't ~declare~ his wallet
to count his money.
jfw: (or whoever - I'm unclear on
the early history
there.)
jfw: The necessary index would be large if history is included, perhaps on
the order of
the existing ones (blkindex.dat), but omitting it strikes me as rather a premature optimization by satoshi.
diana_coman: so in v
time-costs and all
that: changes
took ~10 minutes including figuring out wtf
to change (because I'm no expert in either mpwp or php) and
then
the rest up
to 1 hour was making vpatch +
test-press + write-up; pshaw.
diana_coman: ah, could be but if I get
to
that, might as well fix
the recent comments
too or it ain't worth
the gpged, lol.
deedbot: 2019/11/07 02:34:06 <billymg> mircea_popescu: yup,
the plan remains, january will be
the
time
diana_coman: I guess so; but I meant it more as in why default in
the genesised mpwp; anyways, perhaps billymg makes a patch
to
take
those out of
there and
to put also
trackbacks/pingbacks as last in comments (I've fixed
this on my blog only a few days ago but by default
they mix in comments
too)
mircea_popescu: at
the rate of one
trackback each death of a bishop's
the bug was never observed.
mircea_popescu: in
the original
idiot prototype trackbacks function as a sort of assonaut social interaction,
the
transcription online of
the weird
talking into
the air eyes averted
thing
they do.
mircea_popescu: because in pre-trilema world articles ~never referenced anything, so nobody understood what a
trackback even is.
diana_coman: yeah,
that default is annoying, not sure *why* are
they
there by default
mircea_popescu: dorion, it'd prolly be a good idea
to
take your own
trackbacks out of
the (independently --VERY SHORT) recent comments
toolbar. i can't
tell what's going on
diana_coman: tbh by now I really want
to give a spin
to jfw's gales
thing
too and actually see what's
there.
mircea_popescu now off
to read spyked 's "how and why systemd has won" 2014 piece, kinda curious how 5 years aged it.
BingoBoingo: In pantsuit fail, spammers seem
to have captured Central Methodist University's servers
mircea_popescu: this 2 really goes all
the way back
to
the proposed portage supremacy i nixed back in 2018 or w/e it was. NO, portage is not special cuntlet, NO, portage may not be more important
than any other
turd. V rules, portage obeys or goes away.
mircea_popescu: and 2) really gotta genesis, both
the script so people DO have a sane way
to make edits, and
the sources, so we don't depend on randotards keeping whatever software package online.
mircea_popescu: but in any case multi-gb
things can not be called operating systems nomore
than run of
the mill
failboats can be called buttplugs. yes, even if you end up butt-impaled on one somehow ;
mircea_popescu: aaaanyways. my chief
takeaways from spyked 's article are
that 1) a multi-gb os is a joke, no matter how you
turn
this. it is deeply unclear
to me 1mb is a defensible amt of space for
the os
to occupy,
mircea_popescu: from what I understand, it's not possible
to compile Emacs using Musl << bwahahaha what
the fuck
diana_coman: hm, looking now at it,
there doesn't seem
to be a pingback on
trinque's article from mine despite my linking it; weird.
spyked: diana_coman, approved and
ty for
the link. I knew
there was _some_ discussion on
that, but I could not for
the life of me find it at
the
time.
mircea_popescu: lobbes, except if you do
that, i'd rather do it on
trilema.com first
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-28 23:48:45 lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and
then
the bot installed on server, import
the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-29 11:35:36 mircea_popescu: had some
testing in #trilema-lobbes,
fucken beautiful. btw lobbes, you intent
to implement
the square brackets convention ?
spyked: mircea_popescu, I pushed a fix
to feedbot, lessee how it works. I expect it should send
the notifications in
the correct order next
time
mircea_popescu: lobbes,
thinking about it,
this is actually just about mature enough i should forward sql dump and filesystem huh ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 03:31:50 diana_coman: spyked: doesn't feedbot report comments in order? it just reported in pm 3 comments on an article in reverse order (and a couple of hours late by
the looks of it)
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-28 23:48:45 lobbes: what's left: publish outstanding related vpatches, get base mp-wp and
then
the bot installed on server, import
the remaining logs > 28th march 2016
diana_coman will gladly read
the humongous cuntoo write-up.
spyked: aaand should be fixed. will
test next
time notifications queue up like
that
spyked: diana_coman, np,
thanks for reporting
the issue
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-27 14:58:06 dorion_road:
The other priority areas of ownership
to clarify : c library, boot process (bios, bootloader, init), userland, install process, process supervision and logging and package management options beyond ebuilds.