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assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught
the controversy' -
that is, convincing
that
there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject -
the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
punkman: pretty sure we've been discussing
this even before
the controversy
ascii_field: the only reason why
the block size 'conversation' is even happening at all is
that
they have 'taught
the controversy'
ascii_field: but imho, even having
this conversation at all is a kind of surrender
to usg
ascii_field: and
their equipment repurchased for pennies on
the dollar by new folks.
punkman: it worked
then with spare cpu cycles, I don't
think you can have
that again
jurov: they can switch
to litecoin, monero, etc.
ascii_field: notice
that mining scales down ad infinitum - bitcoin worked fine when mining consisted of spare cpu cycles
ascii_field: but noooo,
the maggots want ~me~ -
the relay operators -
to pay
ascii_field: they get 'not enough' -
they ~die~ and are replaced by folks who don't need as much.
punkman: it might be
that miners won't get enough fees in 1MB blocks
punkman: there were a couple
threads discussing
the increase in regards
to fees
ascii_field: nor will
the permeativity constant change;
ascii_field: speed of light will not increase just because
ten
trillion schmucks
think
they would like it
to;
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:31:55; mircea_popescu: it'd have
to look a lot more like
the above
than like anything i've seen,
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 09:38:33; mircea_popescu: only sane way
to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello,
this is a struct, will
take no more
than x of your space kthx"
fluffypony: the slide is hard
to see in its glory, pity
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shinohai: Bitcoin on any windows is kind of lulzy
to me.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 02:26:52;
trinque: shinohai: you might want
to run memtest86 or something; you might have derped ram
fluffypony: and instead some random comes
to do it, like she's his mother
fluffypony: I know, it was a little out of character, but I was extremely pissed off
that
the guy didn't have
the balls
to come
talk
to me himself
mircea_popescu: you know i have
trouble picturing you
telling some random woman
to fuck off ?
fluffypony: what do you
teach in a Bitcoin "developer" course anyway
mircea_popescu: lol. it is kinda
the retard path. prolly come up with some fixes first
tho.
fluffypony: it's like a bunch of retards sat around a
table and said "we missed out on buying Bitcoin at $0.50, so how do we make money from it now?"
fluffypony: "Riccardo is
the founder and director of fluffypony inc., a company
that specialises in *.* "
mircea_popescu: "specializes" seems
to have lost a meaning sometime in 2004.
mircea_popescu: "Sonya is also Founder and Director of
two Hats a design and development company
that specializes in corporate branding, print design, web design, web development, mobile/responsive web development, e-commerce services, business analysis, search engine optimization, social media, Google Analytics, Google Ads and E-Marketing."
mircea_popescu: so
tell her "listen, i want
to hear
the speaker
to i can mock him as well."
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well I wanted
to hear
the speaker so I could mock him on
Twitter as well, so I didn't have
time for a protracted conversation with
the stupid cow
fluffypony: then
they
tweeted a few hours later about how I wasn't welcome at future Bitcoin Africa conferences because I was disrespectful
fluffypony: so I go "well
then you can fuck off
too"
fluffypony: so
then she goes "well I'm just
the messenger"
fluffypony: so I go "well
then he can man up and come and
talk
to me himself, else he must fuck off"
fluffypony: so
then she says "well I
think you shouldn't
tweet
that"
fluffypony: so I go "who?", because I'd been
tweeting out mean
things about a lot of idiots
that were presenting
fluffypony: and
then she's like "you've been
Tweeting out some mean
things about Gareth"
fluffypony: so she came up
to me in
the middle of
the conference, during someone's
talk
fluffypony: I ridiculed one of
the presenters because he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves
the Byzantine generals problem
fluffypony: she's
the one
that banned me from attending future Bitcoin Africa conferences
cazalla: ;;later
tell fluffypony ^^ might be worth checking out, eh? :P
cazalla: punkman, i imagine
they only discuss bitcoin as
the embassy whereas here, it is a little different.. gentleman's club as one article states
cazalla: pretty much, but what is
the attraction
to creating an embassy, shared space, etc etc?
mircea_popescu: of course
this would also
trash
the fixed size blocks-powered bitcoinfs
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone got a github account, leave a link
to
this convo on
there, curious if sipa/anyone groks wtf's going on.
Adlai searches memory/google for
that altcoin
that commits
to its own source code
mircea_popescu: and back in
the day you'd get flunked in undergrad sys design for shit like
this.
mircea_popescu: but anyway -
the fucking magic number should have been in block headers not in a c file.
punkman: oh ok
then, I read it wrong
mircea_popescu: a noob saved a word ("who would need 1000000 repeated each block!!!") and in
the process made
the design much dumber.
mircea_popescu: only sane way
to have a data struct is if it begins with "hello,
this is a struct, will
take no more
than x of your space kthx"
☟︎ punkman: lemme explain, if we have
the size of each block included in headers,
that's not
the state we need
Adlai: why have difficulty in
the headers? you just count
the hashes
mircea_popescu: and when you allocate memory, same ? you just count
the bytes you used ? AFTER YOU DID ?
punkman: why have a bytecount in
the block?
mircea_popescu: who
the fuck looks at a list and goes "a it's ok, don't need header referencing
the size, why would you."
mircea_popescu: (why
the blocks were designed
to not contain a summary bytecount of
their own variable content i nthe first place is yet another example of
the "satoshi was not much of a designer"
thing)
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, if we're
to keep state
the only sane way is
to put it in
the block headers.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "the very
talented" "core developers"
think,
this will not be a simple or easy change. it will require a lot of
touching,
punkman: could just have blocksize next
to diff
target in block header I suppose
punkman: 2mb is how I always imagined an increase, but yeah I guess
that unworkability is becoming apparent
these days
mircea_popescu: it'd have
to look a lot more like
the above
than like anything i've seen,
☟︎