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shinohai: Somewhere
today I saw it written "There is no killer app for bitcoin yet" ... why does bitcoin need an app?
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 16:13:57;
thestringpuller: maybe when eulora has combat we'll see
that
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:47:21; shinohai: Somehow
that seems just as bad as real 2-factor auth
ascii_field: but
the overall
theme of
thread from my pov was 'just because you can't quantify a cost worth shit, doesn't make it zero'
mircea_popescu: anyway, i am not prepared
to defend
this
technically. i just have a manager's eye is all.
mircea_popescu: but once we get a sane allocator for pool, like discussed here, you can add
the hash.
ascii_field: using hash where it was not used before also creates incentive
to collide
ascii_field: BUT you still gotta verify
that it is
the same!
shinohai: well, most people will just blindly execute scripts
they download from
teh interwebz
mircea_popescu: ianae, but i
think
the lemon could be squeezed by an actual expert.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for instance : blocks come from
the mempool, mostly. when a new block is presented,
the
thing checks all sigs. but it had already checked most of
them for mempool.
trinque: you're supposed
to open
the
thing and say oh, I want
to change
the make.conf/lilo.conf/whatever
trinque: look at how it's written;
that was intentional
shinohai: trinque: no worries, I had
to edit it
to get it
to run xD
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 15:31:58;
thestringpuller: ascii_field: i
thought
the whole reason a "debate" even existed is because 90% of reddit's /r/bitcoin is full of socialist who likely own 0.1 btc each
to
their name and
think
they are gonna change
the world.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 20:33:50; mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded
the problem is in how
the software checks sig, not in
the cpu limit.
trinque: sorry I ever linked
the
thing, christ
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu>
the reason nbc doesn't do
this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo. <<
The do it on cable, call it Univision.
trinque: I apologize for interrupting, but just for posterity:
the gentoo guide and my script were not so people could like, you know, be cool without having
to learn anything. my script for example *IS MEANT
TO BE READ AND EDITED*
mircea_popescu: incidentally re pogo and cpu - i am well persuaded
the problem is in how
the software checks sig, not in
the cpu limit.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but sure, could be. just like
there could be useful cpu
that's passive cooled. sometime.
mircea_popescu: i don't either. was not discussing
the present day politics of it at all. merely,
the principle of
the matter.
jurov: btw, if pouring pogos
to concrete, any hard drive you'll use will wear down in few years
ascii_field: thing is, i don't get
the whole concept of having any sympathy whatsoever for 'needs moar room' when 100% of everyone making
this argument is either usg shill or
their useful idiots
mircea_popescu: if your
train goes
through "brain worm" alien land, you want
the bomb.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
trains without bomb are worth more
mircea_popescu: they are not, and i can't stand
the us
trend of
taking out
the brake in question.
mircea_popescu: if
this were
the case,
trains without an emergency brake would be worth more
than
trains with.
nubbins`: a few people stand around a sack on
the ground, figuring out what
to do with it. one fatso says "i want
to put so many
things inside
that only i can carry it around!"
ascii_field: ergo a blockchain without
the button is inescapably worth more
than one with
mircea_popescu: you will note howevere,
that while any particular political organisation may be opposed,
mircea_popescu: like a bit of plastic
to prevent falling cows from pushing it
mircea_popescu: and
the sum
total of what i said is, of all
the approaches considered i've seen, none includes a fucking cap over
that button.
nubbins`: just as likely it'll push smallies out of
the picture
mircea_popescu: this is
the balance of
the sane part of
the "increase block size" side.
ascii_field: my contention was
that just having
this creates a demolition button for
the whole shebang.
mircea_popescu: because of
the network effects it can in point of fact be
the case
that each byte in
the 1.3
thing is worth more
than in
the 1.0
thing.
mircea_popescu: but it is certainly possible, and byu some analyses likely,
that your option is either a) you sell 1 mb at 1 per byte, or else b) you sell 1.3 mb at 1.1 per byte.
ascii_field might be
thick, isn't certain how
this
theorem applies here
mircea_popescu: if i sell at 20, will sell 1, and make a profit of 20, and
the remaindert will be worth 20k.
mircea_popescu: if i sell at 10, i will sell 10, and make a profit of 100, and
the remainder 90 will be worth 9k.
mircea_popescu: you run into
the following (purely saccounting, and
thus purely psychogenic) problem :
mircea_popescu: the reason i ask if you kept shop, ascii_field, is
the following :
nubbins`: because before you know it he's
taking another look at
the intubators
nubbins`: i don't
think
that banging sluts is a
thing
that someone who is driving around europe going
to /incubators/ is doing
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "you can have more paying
txn". you ever kept shop, ascii_field ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i'm still in search of
this gedankenbenefit
that outweights 'you can't pour nodes into concrete any more, ever'
punkman: bang some sluts along
the way
punkman: williamdunne: you could probably drive around europe pitching
to 100 different incubators
mircea_popescu: you understand how science is done yes williamdunne ? you form a
theory
to
test. you go
test it. systematically. you either come
to a conclusion which precludes further
testing, FOR REASONS, or you keep on going.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Relieve pressure by ranting on a blog? Sounds like it could work. I'll have another look at
the incubators
mircea_popescu: mno, iot' a cost inflicted on
the network, at a possible benefit
to it
ascii_field: removing
this is a COST and is inflicted on node operators for no benefit
to
them.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu:
the other
thing is, with 1MB btcfs, can ~rationally plan~ construction of buried node for
the future
mircea_popescu: then write a blogpost
to defray your mental costs with it.
nubbins`: williamdunne understand
this is like "i have a new business idea: an e-business!" in 1992
williamdunne: Probably more. It was at one of
the incubators we got our last investor.. sour
taste in my mouth
mircea_popescu: williamdunne you
tried pitching at one of
the incubators you got
there ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
this, as a principle, is in no way argued against. it is exactly
true.
the proposal is
that as restrained, it would not be harmful.
williamdunne: Ofc.. but none of
them were looking
to make friends afaik.
There was one person from #b-a interested but
that's from a different angle
relaxedman: nubbins`: like gnome or xfce. punkman yea I know. using
the foundations guide and it stops before I can get anything installed.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne your main enemy is
this crowd of people who agree and encourage
to make friends.
they can be very damaging.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get it. but i was
trying
to illustrate how allowing anyone
to make
the sphincter permanently dilate by spending a fixed cost gets you into 'amplification vulnerability'
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Mostly
the speculating crowd. Not people from #b-a or anything
punkman: relaxedman: you know,
there are linux channels/forums for such questions
mircea_popescu: williamdunne any of
them senior regulators / senior officials / anything other
than people you met at a conference
that hadn't got
there on a first class
ticket
they bought and with
two personal cocksuckers and a chef ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if objective is 'make a river of meat'
then sure. if
trying
to accomplish something more interesting? not so much
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Eh, while you might
think
that a fair number of
the people I spoke
to disagreed.
relaxedman: Still
trying
to get
this gentoo install going(openbsd wouldn't support my gfx card no money
to buy a new one) its n6, varia, but stuck on getting a window manager all
the guides want me
to change profiles. also not sure how wayland fits in any ideas?
mircea_popescu: like, your gf can suck your cock
to stick you with her offspring * forever ?
mircea_popescu: the reason nbc doesn't do
this is because it doesnt' exist as a market yo.
ascii_field: mike_c: i very much see
the ratcheting increase as an 'enemy-can-spend-fixing
to cost-me-fixint-multipled-by-forever'
mircea_popescu: "i have an idea for a us
tv network - primarily
targetting spanish daytime soaps and more languages programming".
williamdunne: punkman: Primarily
targeting margin in non-USD, and larger bucket of currencies
to
trade in
mike_c: mircea_popescu:
the entirety of
this is "if people actually really really want
to see it growing", no more. << interesting idea, but unless *we* want
to see it grow I don't see point of writing it up yet.