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BingoBoingo: I have not seen a graphical WWW browser other
than Dillo
that does not execute any documents.
mircea_popescu: and no, it's not ok
to
take
the windows route and just execute everything.
mircea_popescu: the lulz being
that ubuntu gedit goes "do you want
this file displayed or executed ?"
☟︎ trinque: strict about
the URL structure or w/e it was, isn't it?
trinque: and
that I can see is readily built on a proper lisp system
BingoBoingo: <trinque> anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I
think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system
to replace
the JS monstrosity of
today. << Gopher is beautiful
trinque: anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I
think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system
to replace
the JS monstrosity of
today.
gabriel_laddel will find nano LoC stats *after* I find
the quote I am looking for.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> dunno what I'm missing here << All of
the shit you want
to hinge on
this
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I am
trying
to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations << I grad school I was in serious discussions where we lamented fiber optic was not used for project film over hundreds of miles.
☟︎ gabriel_laddel: "Do I like
this string, would I like more from
the identity
that produced it?"
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> how many LoC is nano? << a large portion is what
those LOC do
trinque: I am
trying
to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations
trinque: why should I have
to run a program *of yours* at all
to get certain information from you?
trinque: gabriel_laddel: if I don't know you, I may still want
to listen
to you for a moment,
to see what you're about
pete_dushenski: google mostly creates 'services' for 'free', undermines field,
then mothballs and leaves a competitive void
☟︎ trinque: though I guess
that's getting
them into
the assassination gig
trinque: I count
that under "ad company"
trinque: surveillance apparatus as far as I can
tell
mircea_popescu: no wonder
they stopped working on search
to develop... what
the fuck is it
they do
these days again ?
mircea_popescu: whereas your
thing is only maybe shot in
the head if found leaking.
mircea_popescu: and if it is fouind behaving like a pipe it gets shot in
the head.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well by
that
token,
the same stands for nano
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel re "bind *real-eval*
to nil" meh.
this works in
the same sense "provable code" works. in academia.
☟︎ trinque: various presentations for various kinds of data yes, one of
them a link
pete_dushenski: “Some of
them, really, is un-rapeable. I look at
them and go, ‘No, you don’t want
that.'” “If it was my daughter,
then I would have killed Bill Cosby. But sitting back looking at it, I
think it’s a money hustle.”
pete_dushenski: "[Damon] Wayans defended [Bill] Cosby. Among his comments: “I don’t believe he was raping. I
think he was in relationships with all of
them.” “If you listen
to
them
talk,
they go: ‘Well,
the first
time.’
The first
time? Bitch, how many
times did it happen?”
trinque: a safe hypertext system could easily be
tossing sepxrs over
the wire with *no* code, just piles of data
BingoBoingo: AND I am
the one using ambiguous metaphores???
BingoBoingo: For a while I did girls for money, was a huge hassel, not worth it, because
the girls were huge. Giggolo is a dead end.
trinque: because
that's what language always was
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel:
The difference between what you do now and what Mike Hearn does is 2013 and 2015. Mike Hearn knew his mission was
to destroy
through evangalism. You may no
that, you may not but
that is still your net effect.
trinque: ^ guy is just more interested in his lisp system
than a particular app on it. I contend
the mega-app on any computer now and in
the future will be a hypertext system.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu:
the people who authored CL
thought of your use case. << AND yet you Hearnia around
the details
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu:
the people who authored CL
thought of your use case.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu: you're still missing
the whole "bind *real-eval*
to nil" part of
the discussion << FUCK YOU IMMA DRAGON
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: you're still missing
the whole "bind *real-eval*
to nil" part of
the discussion
BingoBoingo: Executable
things can go in
the Lispy read, sign, check signatures, and execute world. Documents need
to be in
the don't give a fuck read
the derp and laugh universe
mircea_popescu: if i want it
to be able
to do
things with
the
text,
then yes i want full ast bla bla.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:51:28; punkman: gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also,
this kinda sounds
to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with
the full power of english"
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267251 << moreover, if gpg messages were code rather
than data i'd have gpg rewritten
to a
thing
that keeps messages strictly as data. BingoBoingo exactly has it :
there is no room nor need for every bit of
text
to be "really code". i want my nano
to be UNABLE
to do anything whatsoever with
the
text. which is why i use nano rather
than emacs.
☝︎ trinque: "you can do anything at zombocom" is not why
the web blew up
gabriel_laddel: trinque:
the whole lispm is a "browser" if you go
that direction with words.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel>
trinque: well
these are all very good questions, but
that's application development. << NO,
this is developing separate universes
trinque: seems
to me you end up with another browser
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel>
trinque: I don't see how
this is a problem? << I am a librarian, a collector. I want
to collect information without collecting a bunch of executable rat
turds
trinque: dunno
that you see or perhaps don't value
the problem
the web did solve
gabriel_laddel: trinque: well
these are all very good questions, but
that's application development.
trinque: in what space do
these links exist? what are
they addressing? so on so on
BingoBoingo: For safety
though it should not be a part of
that, but merely interpreted
through a progam in
that
trinque: gabriel_laddel: what of gentlemen like BingoBoingo
that want
to write and link
things
trinque: and on
the other end, gabriel_laddel will
tell you
that's a (small) subset of his lispy metaverse
trinque: I see what's asked for
there.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> hypertext you understand is just an extension of what writing already was. << Seriously
there is a specific harmless language or subset of language necessary for playing
the presentation role. Something
that by it's Phoosis can be presented safely
gabriel_laddel: if you don't like it, well, you've got
the sexprs right
there
trinque: right,
that
thing is necessary
mircea_popescu: alternatively it could be
transpieler. where you play with
the
tran.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: so someone could write and distribute a "~google search"
that looks over
the CLIM streams of all GUIs it knows about.
trinque: damn socialists spilling
trans everywhere
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it spills
trans. << I
though
that was called prison???
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:35:09; gabriel_laddel:
there is a partially complete js->parenscript
transpiler so
that you don't have
to read js
trinque: meaning.
today I google some nonsense and google gives me my propagandized results
gabriel_laddel: dunno what else you could possibly want, other
than sane 3D etc.
trinque: mabye we're all running
the same lisp program, but you have
to have a space within which (distributed CLOS??)
the
thing we're doing poorly on
the www can be done better
trinque: so no, I don't
think "run lisp program and open socket" is enough
trinque: in
the don't-call-it-hypertext
trinque: and let me point at your concepts and make reference
to
them on *my*
thing
trinque: don't care what you use; give me a universal reference
to *THAT* concept
trinque: because
the browser is shit
trinque: don't be stupid and ignore
that
trinque: this hypertext
thing has massively worked out
gabriel_laddel: trinque:
they didn't do *everything* correctly, but yes.
trinque: oh stop,
there were hypertext systems on general
trinque: maybe it's got some data structure in it
that has various "viewers"
trinque: I'm actually on-board
that hypertext shouldn't specify executable code within
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, lets pass around javascript
turds as FLAC files so we can infect our machines with cassette
tapes
trinque: BingoBoingo: he's
talking about in
the sort of XUL layer, if I understand firefox