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shinohai: I changed
the ip in my alias, dunno why it is still connecting
there
shinohai: Zoolag:
trying connection 195.211.154.159:8333 lastseen=-372722.3hrs lasttry=-400500.1hrs
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:09:10; mircea_popescu: "angela", stop being a derp, we need chinese speakers for better jobs
than mashing hands on keyboards
to produce email addresses.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:58:00; BingoBoingo: <trinque> I am
trying
to make a point of BingoBoingo's lamentations << I grad school I was in serious discussions where we lamented fiber optic was not used for project film over hundreds of miles.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:56:14; pete_dushenski: google mostly creates 'services' for 'free', undermines field,
then mothballs and leaves a competitive void
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:53:02; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel re "bind *real-eval*
to nil" meh.
this works in
the same sense "provable code" works. in academia.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:29:01; punkman:
trinque:
the web still exists; gotta deal with
that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS.
then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites
that we are unable
to view.
shinohai: @ asciilifeform is your node back up and running? One I was connected
to is down :/
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:04:15;
trinque: BingoBoingo: I would say mr gabriel_laddel has it,
that all syntaxes can be done within
the lisp system, and simultaneously you find
that
the vast majority aren't necessary
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:57:07; gabriel_laddel: because you can always "open up" any "structure" and are guaranteed
to get more of
the same i.e., lisp, i.e., sexprs
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 02:31:21; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of
this, does kakobrekla's magical car still run ?
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:33:11; pete_dushenski:
though i have
to say, asciilifeform, for a starved man, you
think mighty clearly.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:33:59; gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: because
there is a lot of information
that needs
to be sucked out of
the web, and having a 'sharp' blade with which
to do
this will be quite valuable moving forwards.
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Naphex: which users absolutely hate in
the context of live video chat
Naphex: you could also
try HLS from apple for some decent compatibilty and just delivering mp4 parts by HTTP
Naphex: so most browsers implement webrtc; you have
to rely on 3rd party video players(like vlc) or flash
to decode and render
the content
Naphex: RTMP has a lot of hardware support[switchers, video compositing, streaming
tools, relays;etc] and most video producers just use
that
punkman: flash doesn't belong in sane browser
though
Naphex: web video as in
the new mp4 and webrtc is pretty much useless for low-latency video streaming
Naphex: it's pretty meh, video is solved with flash and rtmp.
the other interface "eye-candy" and functionality is what bogs most of it down
Naphex: use plain html5, render stuff on
the fly
mircea_popescu: maybe
this is retarded, but, wouldn't you be better off adding a slight delay, converting
to something like gifv on
the fly and relying on html5 ?
Naphex: the
typical stuff when doing "webapps"
Naphex: chrome runs it okay, but its filled with goog data plugs; got
to spend 40mins just
to do a "sane" config. Firefox somehow got stuck in 2010. And IE just gets stuck eats all memory and crashes with OOM
mircea_popescu: (in
the year 72015 in
the sense
that it can be mathematially proven it won't happen before. but who knows, maybe after. patience little wanobi!)
mircea_popescu: it will converge
to sense. eventually. in
the year 72015.
mircea_popescu: they never will.
the browser process as it exists is almost an exact mirror of
the us "democracy" electroal process.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: oh man browsers still can't render
the same
thing properly :o
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:30:29;
trinque: BingoBoingo: I would much rather download someone's signed lisp program and run
that locally
than have
this horrible half-creature
that grabs code from everywhere,
tries
to "sandbox" it, and runs without so much as a gpg fart in
the wind
mircea_popescu: making a SECURE browser would kick so much ass... and it is not actually
THAT hard. not in
the sense
that it's not hard, but in
the sense
that we have an IMMENSE advantage over everyone else, from mozilla
to who have you, in
the "piss on
the world and light it on fire" doctrine.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:29:01; punkman:
trinque:
the web still exists; gotta deal with
that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS.
then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites
that we are unable
to view.
BingoBoingo: the
tides.
There will be many more, appearing certainly first in
the hands of
the scientist and in small numbers."
BingoBoingo: Also actual computers, a rarity: "With machines for advanced analysis no such situation existed; for
there was and is no extensive market;
the users of advanced methods of manipulating data are a very small part of
the population.
There are, however, machines for solving differential equations—and functional and integral equations, for
that matter.
There are many special machines, such as
the harmonic synthesizer which predicts
BingoBoingo: OLEDs how do
they work? "Use chemically
treated film in place of
the glowing screen, allow
the apparatus
to
transmit one picture only rather
than a succession, and a rapid camera for dry photography results."
BingoBoingo: ointer is varied as it moves,
the line becomes light or dark in accordance with
the potential." << Are we getting spooked yet?
BingoBoingo: Laser printers etc. "Another process now in use is also slow, and more or less clumsy. For fifty years impregnated papers have been used which
turn dark at every point where an electrical contact
touches
them, by reason of
the chemical change
thus produced in an iodine compound included in
the paper.
They have been used
to make records, for a pointer moving across
them can leave a
trail behind. If
the electrical potential on
the p
BingoBoingo: s eyes, for striking improvements in stereoscopic
technique are just around
the corner." <<
This was Vannevar's design
BingoBoingo: ength.
There is a built-in photocell on
the walnut such as we now have on at least one camera, which automatically adjusts exposure for a wide range of illumination.
There is film in
the walnut for a hundred exposures, and
the spring for operating its shutter and shifting its film is wound once for all when
the film clip is inserted. It produces its result in full color. It may well be stereoscopic, and record with
two spaced glas
BingoBoingo: "Let us project
this
trend ahead
to a logical, if not inevitable, outcome.
The camera hound of
the future wears on his forehead a lump a little larger
than a walnut. It
takes pictures 3 millimeters square, later
to be projected or enlarged, which after all involves only a factor of 10 beyond present practice.
The lens is of universal focus, down
to any distance accommodated by
the unaided eye, simply because it is of short focal l
BingoBoingo: ;;later
tell gabriel_laddel Seriously read
the Vannevar Bush paper. You are solving
too many problems with
too few
tools. Classic circular saw/Hammer problem.
BingoBoingo: Pretending
to
thing
that do not yet exist is
the definition of "terminal psychosis"
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> (let* ((mjrcalc-path (qlpp "/lispy/")))... << How exactly
to we
trust
this far before hardware?
BingoBoingo: <punkman> I assumed "save-as" meant a button already in my browser << Of all
things Chromium on OpenBSd has
this along with most other browsers
gabriel_laddel: Now, I don't *know* exactly what particular sexpr will 'click' for my program, so I'll write a few versions, find something I like and
then distribute it.
gabriel_laddel: Completing
the above
thought (CLIMweb) :
there are
two obvious categories of references,
those
that contain (backup)
the reference and
those
that do not.
Those
that do not should be of one of
two
types - an identifier coupled with an identity, which you can use
to lookup in
the WoT you can "see" and "speculative" references, e.g., some arbitary computation.
mircea_popescu is kind-of nonplussed nobody called him on
the misattribution of proust's work. but anyway,
twas "Bouvard et Pécuchet", and
the dilemma was 30 or 34, and he settled on 30. you people need
to read more literature.
ben_vulpes: no stop i have
to go do
things
to a girl
mircea_popescu: flaubert is famous for having declaredly spent weeks
trying
to decide on a
temperature value in cote de chez swann
thestringpuller: i read an article
that F. Scott Fitzgerald used
to revise for years after his first draft...
mircea_popescu: i would estimate less
than 1% of
trilema words were ever rewritten. it's pretty much first pass.
gabriel_laddel: sure, but you rewrite sentences several
times before you distribute.
mircea_popescu: note
that im not saying
this is a good idea. i'm entirely unconvinced at
the moment. but still, fwiw, iwii.
mircea_popescu: i still manage
to distribute
trilema
to people who don't program
gabriel_laddel: so, for example,
the notion of references on a CLIMweb running on a WoTnet
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: and wrt "hacking around until something clicks",
this is
the only way I know how
to work on UIs and other 'finicky' programs? You certainly don't distribute
this
to friends who don't program.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: as for
that quote, agreed - I should have quoted 3 paragraphs up.
mircea_popescu: the only way such a
thing will be published will be under a
tmsr license. for obvious reasons.
mircea_popescu: punkman generally you need a decent video driver, something
that does
the equivalent of "print
to file"
mircea_popescu: "this femlisp privileges useful work and meaningful abstractions over other verbiage
that is a lot more important
to us"
BingoBoingo: <punkman> save-as doesn't work << If it doesn't
the problem is higher up your
toolchain
BingoBoingo: <punkman> ben_vulpes: same idea, does vlc support as many sources
though? << VLC, Parole, pretty much eveything works
mircea_popescu: nd him were worthy of being
told about it. for all you know
the notions of "progress and science" incumbent in
the perspective you propose are so much masturbatory jizz, and in point of fact intelligent people share
their
thoughts exactly like a comedian shares his routine :
to friends, in a social environment, for
the same reasons in
the same ways.
☟︎ assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:17:33; gabriel_laddel: "On
the historical evidence I shall be short. Carl Friedrich Gauss,
the Prince of Mathematicians but also somewhat of a coward, was certainly aware of
the fate of Galileo —and could probably have predicted
the calumniation of Einstein— when he decided
to suppress his discovery of non-Euclidean geometry,
thus leaving it
to Bolyai and Lobatchewsky
to receive
the flak. It is probably more illuminati
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267314 << for
the record, ascribing purpose
to phenomena is basically animism 2.0, and just as medieval as
the other
thing. for all you know gauss was not "a bit of a coward", and your p[rojection into
the future whebn discussing einstein more indicative of an anachronistic mind
than some sort of valuable intuition. for all you know gauss just didn't
think
the idiots arou
☝︎ punkman: ben_vulpes: same idea, does vlc support as many sources
though?