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ascii_field: mircea_popescu: understand, if i'm merely thick and you can describe a working mechanism, people ~will~ use...
mircea_popescu: seller has a minimum of two 0 days. he creates a wot account for the purpose of selling these and future ones indefinitely. seller publishes one freom that account as a proof, announces he has more, explains what it costs. sends it encrypted once gets paid. gets rated. what's the big deal.
mircea_popescu: stop trying to force the inept mental jump on me. i am neither inept nor am i making it.
ascii_field: in this case, seller. he gets shafted.
mircea_popescu: are we discussing the buyer or the seller side here.
ascii_field: in this example, i'm just an earthworm. watching.
mircea_popescu: you're the seller or the buyer here ?
ascii_field: 10,000 bozos take the coin & run
ascii_field: will you rate the 10,001st one when 10,000 renege ?
mircea_popescu: yes it works once. how many times do you want it to work.
ascii_field: maybe twice.
mircea_popescu: so there you go, it's started.
ascii_field: ok, this works once.
mircea_popescu: suppose someoine who isn't us registers 0day_bourbaky in the wot.
ascii_field: for the purpose of the entire thing
mircea_popescu: a key for the purpose of a one off deal ?
ascii_field: why would anyone trade with me ?
mircea_popescu: and by uncomfortable i mean, the places where yo ususpect the solution may lie.
ascii_field: i create a new key for this purpose
ascii_field: humour me, say i want to sell an 0day today.
mircea_popescu: see, you jump over the uncomfortable fractures.
mircea_popescu: we have no such thing.
mircea_popescu: for all you know it can literally say "i don't trust him".
ascii_field: so i generate a new key. but, you will say, next buyer will not deal with a nobody ? then why would they have dealt with me earlier ?
ascii_field: let's say it does not. so i renege and pastebin the exploit i just sold. vendor negrates me: '-10, poopyhead, can't say why publicly'
mircea_popescu: this is true.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways last week there was nearly identical spam floating around under Pantera Capital's name. Spam's not really news.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field couldja for five minutes stop with this "i know how things are in direct proportion of how little i know about them" ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just that lingering doubt is why I'm going to keep digging for other stuff to consider qntra-ing up
shinohai: "Si te sientes guapa" <<< LOL that's all it takes ....
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not sure why such a concern would be of any interest. this "fund" is not represented in the wot. consequently, any piece of email purportying to be from them ACTUALLY IS every time that is detrimental to them
ascii_field: and who will buy then
ascii_field: otherwise i would have to include the cost of an army in my price
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will look into it, but there has been "masquerade" spamming lately. Hard to tell if actual impersonation though or plausible deniability scam
mircea_popescu: wot doesn't require this.
mircea_popescu: why does it have to be public ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you ever heard of the-transaction-cant-be-public ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods << you ever heard of teh wot ?
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ascii_field: mats: if caching 0days were as easy as you suggest, there is no reason why you ought to be stuck in usaschwitz. go, move in next door to mircea_popescu ?
ascii_field: and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods
ascii_field: what is my assurance that i see the coin
ascii_field: mats: and who brokers the deal? god?
ascii_field: and it isn't like a schmuck from the street can get 20k as it is now.
ascii_field: and i am certainly ~NOT~ risking gasenwagen to get that hundy.
ascii_field: mats: and yes, i have something that i know is worth $10M but since i don't have blue blood i can only get a hundy for it, i would MUCH prefer to burn it.
mats: sure, its highly asymmetrical, all parties involved know this
ascii_field: to third parties.
mod6: as far as the 'experimental' patches, i agree about the 'maxint_locks' patch.... maybe there's a better word than experimental. and, anyway, this will all change soon anyhow, so not sure how urgent it is.
ascii_field: or even a certain time before
ascii_field: mats: seller, for instance, can disclose the patch immediately after sale
ascii_field: but this picture is a very good start.
ascii_field: like genealogical tree.
mod6: ah. yeah, i'll have to play around with the format, etc. we'll see if i can make it happen. maybe?
ascii_field: and so on, until the modern day.
ascii_field: genesis at the bottom, and nothing else colinear with it;
ascii_field: mod6: any way to make this vertical ?
mod6: ascii_field: see if this one makes any sense: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
williamdunne: ascii_field: Eh, was just reading; 19:36:41 - thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@OB1Company/scaling-bitcoin-9366988972b6 […]
ascii_field: (you may have been told that people are doing it, and yes, there are people who think they are doing it. but they are being scammed. often, on both sides of the table simultaneously...)
ascii_field: williamdunne: thread in question was about the impossibility of selling exploits
williamdunne sees no reason why most people would need to directly touch a blockchain
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 17:38:54; asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?
ascii_field: punkman: i don't think this is actually possible. see log.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: nah that was was this guy << http://qntra.net/2015/03/boost-vc-embraces-child-founded-start-up/
mircea_popescu: there's nothing in it that requires it be a scam.
mircea_popescu: these two points are inseparable.
punkman: we'll never know that of course
mircea_popescu: which exact mistakes, and how, was the question.
mircea_popescu: punkman this is besides the point.
punkman: well he made way too many mistakes too count
mircea_popescu: but yes, trivial to find this sort of shit once you got the guy
mircea_popescu: iirc that was discovered months after.
ascii_field: by whom? the 1st gandi rifle division ?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 18:04:38; mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over.
mircea_popescu: and with the force the 4th guy... the whole thing looked more like turf war between rival drug lords, on of which being the usg, than anything legitimate.
ascii_field: my point was that usg is not burdened with the need to lie ~plausibly~.
ascii_field: iirc the story changed more than once.
mircea_popescu: "how" they found ulbricht = "we discovered this github post" or what was it ?
ascii_field: a parallel-constructed nsa tap is just another 'anonymous tip' to these folks.
ascii_field: they are rescued by the complete lack of any consequences for story which does not hang together (e.g., '9/11' details, or the 'how they found ulbricht' story, etc)
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone know this Jenna McLaughlin chick ? invite her over. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (lying, of any kind it might be, always takes more clever than speaking the truth. it also always enbds up taking more cleverf than is available, but that's secondary here.)
mircea_popescu: "Hess said that data currently available on investigations, including the annual wiretap report indicating that agents encountered encryption only a handful of times during the course of the year, is simply wrong." << it is simply wrong, because it never figures in court matter, because they parallel construct to all hell and don't know how to do it well
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the 1st ghandi rifles ?
mircea_popescu: you are a SERVANT. nothing more. just like your mom used to be, minus the assfucking.
mircea_popescu: nobody cares what some anon goat fucker thinks on any topic. on your knees, answer humbly and move on.
mircea_popescu: listen up raj your mother-s a whore go back to india : you don't fucking get to score the questions
mircea_popescu: "Asked how often investigations are stymied by encryption, Kiran Raj, a senior counsel of the Department of Justice, responded with a non-answer. “It is an important point that you make, that we have to provide the sense of a scale,” he said."
kakobrekla: >The ETH scam won't see 2016 < isnt this a negative bet?
assbot: FBI Keeps Telling Purely Theoretical Encryption Horror Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUgEI )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. << Took grandpa until halfway to his eigth decade to take a stand on no more fingers and scopes up the butt and no more needles in the eye.
ascii_field: 'The Court observed that, according to the government, Mr. Merrill would only be allowed to discuss the kinds of records the FBI demanded in “a world in which no threat of terrorism exists, or a world in which the FBI, acting on its own accord and its own time, decides to disclose the contents of the Attachment.”'
mircea_popescu: i don't recall seeing that before.
mircea_popescu: hey, at least they admit the nsl was there before 2001.
ascii_field: 'The ruling marks the first time that an NSL gag order has been lifted in full since the PATRIOT Act vastly expanded the scope of the FBI’s NSL authority in 2001.'
assbot: Federal Court Invalidates 11-Year-old FBI gag order on National Security Letter recipient Nicholas Merrill | The Calyx Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUcF0 )
mircea_popescu: why exactly ? fuck all that shit.
mircea_popescu: and all this because they wanted her to dedicate her entire fucking day to taking it up the ass for the great god of colonoscopy.