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anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I
tried
to prevent a situation like
this...
mod6: mircea_popescu:
thanks :]
mircea_popescu: dun
tell me
there's some dudes right over
the horizon ganging
together
to beat me up ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha - isn't it beautiful? it looks exactly like
the graph in my head when i wrote 'v'
mircea_popescu: <anton_osika> By
the people who understand
the situation. << by
the who ?
mircea_popescu: o wow check it out, he actually managed
the level enforcement. nice stuff mod6 !
anton_osika: There is a Kraken PGP key here
that a lot of people
that hold
their
trust (even in forms of assets) dearly
to it .
Those people would forever lose some of
the
trust for you.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re-read
the contract, and
the system of
trust should prevent egoistic interpretations of contracts.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> who saw
the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' << sure, i'm privy
to
teh arab wastage.
mats: that's not how
the wot works
anton_osika: ascii_field: I do not need any
trust at all
to damage MP:s
trust.
anton_osika: I am
the long party and have independent verification of
this by others with recognised
trust.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu wrote
the contract for
the cause of delivery, right?
shinohai: And how exactly is your credibility worth more
than mircea_popescu 's?
ascii_field: anton_osika: iirc mircea_popescu explained specifically, earlier,
that he would lose credibility among
the people who matter if he ~did~ pay.
anton_osika: and
this is a piss in
the ocean for upholding ones credibility for mircea_popescu .
anton_osika: BingoBoingo: Depends on what
the contract should constructively be interpreted by. Unless MP stands by his word and
take
the one and only claimed deposit address (by
the freenode authed antonosika as well as
the holder of
the bitcoin wallet) mircea_popescu will lose credibility by people who agree
to my interpretation of what
the cause of a future delivery
mats: if you image
the device, i'd be happy
to attempt recovery for a modest fee if i'm successful
BingoBoingo: At least anton_osika In
the even you manage
to uncorrupt your backup Kraken is no longer in a position
to
take deliver in your place by signing from
the outgoing BTC address.
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: And further
to
the point, I don't
think Kraken is in any position
to attest
to anything seeing how it is
the USG appointed
tool for distributing MtGox's carcass
shinohai: punkman:
trust me, being here opened my eyes
to how inept I was with gpg
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just saw a commercia for ETrade creating a browser only platform for
trading. Made me laugh outloud here in
the airport cause, well is etrade et. al. going
to become
the new play exchanges?
BingoBoingo: anton_osika:
That doesn't seem
to solve
the problem of inability
to sign a delivery address with
that public key, even if Kraken attests
to it.
ascii_field: anton_osika: ever read
the story (or watch
the film based on it) - 'the cold equations' ?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 19:57:21; anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime
trust on
this one however.
punkman: shinohai: your master key hadn't signed
the subkeys? how does
that happen?
mod6: <+ascii_field> see if you can make
the patch names clickable links << i'll see what I can do.
thx.
anton_osika: By
the people who understand
the situation.
shinohai: asciilifeform: If you have
time later, would appreciate assistance with
the key issue you brought
to my attention last week.
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: could lose some lifetime
trust on
this one however.
☟︎ ascii_field: see if you can make
the patch names clickable links
ascii_field: mod6:
this is beautiful and ought
to be on
the www.
anton_osika: Either you actively distrust Kraken.com and make ~no~payment. Or you fulfill your part of
the contract as well as possible.
ascii_field: but i know enough
to say
that it will be a problem here.
anton_osika: Such a
thing is not a problem in any serious contract
that I would write in a business situation.
anton_osika: asciilifeform: Depends on what
the contract is saying.
ascii_field: 'The verification relies on
the credibility of a group of well reputed people, or a “bank” if you have
to call it
that: Kraken.com.
The statement states what identity made
the
transaction
to your account.' <<
this is a problem.
anton_osika: I have proof of being
the long party as specified
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re read
the contract you wrote
ascii_field: ;;later
tell mod6 a more readable graph could omit genesis node.
thestringpuller: sure if six niggas is like "Yo i saw
this nigga do some hood shit at my buddy moes"
ascii_field: thestringpuller: if you deal with sufficiently many people
that your memory cannot fit
them perfectly, your wot is not strictly a meatwot.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: because niggas be forgetful and shit. if you're just saying "Well i
trust
this nigga cause of xyz" it's by word of mouth i.e. memory rather
than something digitally recorded
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:01:15; mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's
the word
there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider
thestringpuller: mats: in my perspective it seems
the meatwot is more easily susceptible sybil attacks
than one enforced with
the principle governing gpg contracts
ascii_field: thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu pointed out, i am abusing
the
term
to refer
to meatspace business circles
ascii_field: (as may have been
the case with 'snowden-2',
though
these were not exploits in
the sense meant in
this
thread)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is possible sometimes, from
the overall flavour of
the items, for hitler
to ferret out whom
to shoot.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: re: repeated sales of exploits,
there are also opsec considerations.
thestringpuller: re: meatwot, don't
think one exist since memory if fallible
ascii_field: re: meatwot, all i meant was
that i personally know a fella, who i
trust
to describe what he saw, who saw
the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting'
ascii_field: and access
to 'turkeys' approximately as fast as
they can be produced.
ascii_field: was
trying
to point out
that
the folks who 'make nothing' (true!) have pretty much infinite money.
ascii_field: but
there was a
time when i got caffeinated goop from vending machines, at uni.
mircea_popescu: just saying, expenditure's not
the measure of
the world. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: shit, you actually do
that every day ?! IT'S BAD FOR YOU
mircea_popescu: for
that matter, i spent a million like you spend a dollar in a coke machine.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field are you in a position
to negrate
this "degree-1" "meatwot" ?
mircea_popescu: you're
to
tell your jokes freely as much as possible, so as
to learn how it works.
ascii_field: saudi brass spend a million usd like i spend a dollar in a coke machine. and i know
this
through degree-1 meatwot.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you don't have a method
to make
them laugh, you're not
to epxect
to be paid for your "Comedian services".
mircea_popescu: anyway.
this entire "if you only got one and don't know how you got it, either - you
therefore must publish"
thing is exactly because
that's how one learns.
ascii_field: because on
the planet where i live,
the richest folk, as far as naked eye can see, are resource extractors
ascii_field: so what, saudi golden
toilet is leaden somehow ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field
they can beg all
they want, it's adequate
to
them.
mircea_popescu: apparently
the web doesn't have
the quote. something like "my dear, i'm going out
to find my pride. and if i ever find it, we'll see if it's still worth a damn
to either of us."
ascii_field: also saud et al will beg
to differ
that 'you cannot sell what you do not make'
ascii_field: because afaik most of
the serious money is in
the hands of inheritors even now.
ascii_field: i
think it is necessary
to put on magic glasses, which i don't have,
to see 'poor inheritors'
mircea_popescu: or else he can not make
them, just found some meteor, in which case he has no business being a seller. because nobody may sell what he can't make.
ascii_field: it is entirely possible
to find a potential exploit in
the course of unrelated work. developing it into an ACTUAL exploit
takes sweat.
mircea_popescu: either he can make
them, at some rate whatever it may be, but nonzero (even if it's so low in
the end it ends up being 0), and
then he has a business being a seller.
mircea_popescu: this precludes any bothering. because bothering is a
thing of work, which is a reason
to suspect.
mircea_popescu: mno. words have meanings. " no reason
to suspect he will ever have more".
mircea_popescu: it's provably
the best usage, if you don't secrete it.
ascii_field: why bother digging it out of
the ground
to begin with ?
ascii_field: give
the plutonium away for free
to
the first idiot pastebin reader who comes along, aha.
mircea_popescu: and he should just play
the good researcher and publish it.
mircea_popescu: but
the caveat being
that if seller has exactly one, and no reason
to suspect he will ever have more,
this entire
thing is a wot. aka, waste of
time.
mircea_popescu: and if seller doesn't want
to burn one, seller can just ask (PRIVATELY) friends
to rate it.