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mircea_popescu: fractal he has no involvement in the decision of it tho, so why shouildn't he argue it ?
mircea_popescu: they know wtf is going on, don't include 400gh if they have no orders to ship for 400gh etc
mircea_popescu: well you know it's always good policy to get the manufacturer to write the bet, even if you want to bet on yes.
mircea_popescu: jborkl re the wording : any time one sees a badly worded bet they can make a better worded one, which at least theoretically would create an advantage for his bet over the old bet and people would flock there.
mircea_popescu: jurov it'd be fucking crazy tho. what, they sold like 9 boards to 5 ppl ?
mircea_popescu: somehow, somewhere. else the bet is only half satisfied
mircea_popescu: jborkl the rationale is that since there's an A and a B in the bet, and 5 proofs, you want those 5 proofs rto include both A and B
mircea_popescu: this is an important point to remember : you NEVER bet on a bet such that you can't neutralize it later should you need to.
mircea_popescu: fractal pretty much the only way it works, make your bet neutral.
mircea_popescu: jborkl how much was the 400 ? like 150 btc or something ?
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr "lol yknow eventually there's gonna bet a channel dedicated to debating bitbet wording"
mircea_popescu: anyway, fractal, since you're new : are you familiar with how you can cancel out bitbet bets ?
mircea_popescu: in retrospect i think this is absolutely the first time a genuine wording problem has come to fore. the previous one (on the bfl specs) was thoroughly manufactured by dishonest blf.
mircea_popescu: jborkl that's the stated intention. nobody has yet come forward having received a 400gh order
mircea_popescu: why are they underhashing anyway ? any word from manufacturer ?
mircea_popescu: Anduck no argument, it is clear. was just giving exampel of previous contentions
mircea_popescu: Anduck iirc it weas like "bbet mkt cap on mpex will exceed sdice mkt cap"
mircea_popescu: kleeck there's also a very lulzy one on the forum and here from back in march. some guy named rikur and some other guy
mircea_popescu: fractal well ya but it wouldn't be economically feasible to do so
mircea_popescu: fractal also why i asked you if it's your first time and advised you go small. these things do happen.
mircea_popescu: the attempt to make the context entirely explicit is burdensome and provably doomed.
mircea_popescu: human language is not meaningful unless the receptor supplies context to make it meaningful. the contexts receptors supply often vary.
mircea_popescu: kleeck bitbet is a fascinating exercise in the limits of communication.
mircea_popescu: fractal in fairness, the "self contained device" part is also not in the bet text.
mircea_popescu: Aug 27 17:28:43 <fractal>mircea_popescu: just double checking.
mircea_popescu: Aug 27 17:28:25 <mircea_popescu>fractal seems pretty clear cut neh ?
mircea_popescu: Aug 27 17:26:54 <mircea_popescu>(25 GH/s unit 40W, 400 GH/s unit 400W)
mircea_popescu: Aug 27 17:25:45 <fractal>what if they ship 2 units to make up for lower hashrates?
mircea_popescu: <fractal> Anduck: I came in here specifically to ask mircea_popescu and he said that a 400Gh 'UNIT' must exist --- based on the math, it can't <<< which snippet is this ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise any statement can be elongated ad infinitum with requests for definitions
mircea_popescu: kleeck the problem is that you only have clear communication in retrospect.
mircea_popescu: "clearly communicating" is not something of reality sadly.
mircea_popescu: kleeck there's always going to be some edge. natural language is what it is.
mircea_popescu: lol. i guess this is how a good bet works, it's totally clear to everyone except it doesn't match.
mircea_popescu: well the best i can do for either side atm is to say we'll see how this turns out.
mircea_popescu: how do you do the math coming out that 400gh is impossible ?
mircea_popescu: fractal afaik the one report was of one guy doing 60gh at 54 watts
mircea_popescu: supposedly if he affirms the oldest btc business is bad that makes his shit fine.
mircea_popescu: Rulother it's funny how he simply went through the scammer argument list.
mircea_popescu: provide software for people trying to run their own bonds ?
mircea_popescu: guy destroyed the leaked us no fly list, among a bunch of other stuff. total mole.
mircea_popescu: At a Chaos Computer Club event in August 2011, Daniel Domscheit-Berg announced its preliminary launch and invited hackers to test the security of the OpenLeaks system, as a result of which the CCC criticized him for exploiting the good name of the club to promote his OpenLeaks project and expelled him from their club, despite his lack of membership.