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mircea_popescu: i mean yes, it DOES seem to be simply miserable typing in openssl, they have nfi what ints even are over there
asciilifeform: the overarching picture in my mind is that bitcoin would scarcely look any different if it had been designed by вредители
mircea_popescu: no see, i know that. but these are really bullshit answers obviously.
asciilifeform has been sitting and trying to ascertain precisely 'why'
mircea_popescu: for that matter splitting a 31 bit paload in a 32 bit envelope into "odd/even" or "upper/lower" is, intuitively, the same damned thing. or should i say "from a theoretical, numeric persepective". why does it make a difference ?
asciilifeform: as far as i can tell - unused sign bit.
mircea_popescu: why is there an unused byte ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is a 'don't care' value, one bit's worth. the proposed tweak abolishes it.
mircea_popescu: its not that i suspect the holy grail is spirited there. i just don't grok what it does is all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notice that the operation takes place after the act of signing properly speaking.
mircea_popescu: because i don't now, as i didn't in 2013, understand this.
mircea_popescu: what i want to know is, what is the mathematical significance of narrowinfg the S space.
asciilifeform: anyway, as far as i can see the suggested tweak is harmless. who wants to write the patch, can.
mircea_popescu: (this is really why this is such a triviality. so min er x no longer accepts old style txn ? costs fifty cents to put a muxer in between)
asciilifeform: but yes, if you buried the tx-shooter in cement at the bottom of the mariana trench, it will suck
asciilifeform: which doesn't actually do anything random bozos can't already do to your tx.
mircea_popescu: but you'd still have to do the transform.
asciilifeform: now if all you have is this kind of tx, you can trivially transform it into one that is legal per the patch linked earlier
mircea_popescu: maintaining backwards compatibility is one thing, maintaining backwards delusionality is another thing.
mircea_popescu: it'd be nice if that functionality was available. it eminently is not. tough and who doesn't like it knows how to get in the wot and start crac kin.
asciilifeform: now this is true.
mircea_popescu: at no point was the promise made that one can rely on pre-loaded tx
asciilifeform: *pre-loaded tx-en, that is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this'd be: to nuke pre-loaded sigs (e.g., dead-man switch systems, or otherwise secreted.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a theory re: one possible reason why enemy might be interested in altering sig format
asciilifeform: so what i actually sat down at the console to say was...
asciilifeform: and this is the 4th or so, on my end, in 3 days.
BingoBoingo: Been a while since one like that
BingoBoingo: All sorts of changes appeared to happed to key.cpp between 0.7 and 0.9
mircea_popescu: this is actually a good thing
BingoBoingo: Oh, of course Gavin had to refactor key.cpp so changes we might want to play with now are in a practically different language.
mircea_popescu: on github. the thing is social media for derps. they comment because their food is late, there.
mircea_popescu: heck, the guy's pull request got, rather symptomatically, 0 comments.
mircea_popescu: so in that sense... if there's a superclass fix, and we find it, good. if not, entrenching around this seems a waste of time.
mircea_popescu: but the way which, whether it delegitimizes anything or not, nevertheless serves bitcoin, to do the switch, is by making sure that the proposed solution actually is a good solution for the proposed problem. there's a lengthy history of narrow, poorly tho9ught out, unreviewed and borderline nonsensical "solutions" that had to be reforged and then re-reforged, even 3-4-5 passes.
mircea_popescu: in any case, i see little value in the political thinking proposed. im not even sure it's all that political.
mircea_popescu: o hey not bad, guy gets to go to costa rica hang out with the other lamers on "what's left after divorce" budget
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mircea_popescu: the real time thing fails, ftr.
ascii_field: recall why i asked nubbins` for the book!
ascii_field: ftr, i do not believe that it has a long-term future.
ascii_field: we already have the turdball
jurov: well, then we can end with turdball like gcc (due to rms' political reasons discussed here recently)
ascii_field: and on his terms.
ascii_field: my point was that we do not want to be in the position of answering the enemy in real time.
ascii_field: dunno how much sense this will make to a nonplayer
ascii_field: familiar with jp terms 'sente' and 'gote' ?
ascii_field: jurov: if you recall, i began with a backport of the orphan fix
jurov: ascii_field: can i read that like you will reject any patch that resembles anything from members or people affiliated to phoundation or "dev team"
mircea_popescu: more importantly : the entire malleability / bip 62 / sipa chjanges (such as linked) are 2013 material.
ascii_field: will have to (shudder) ~think~.
ascii_field: if i had 'specifically' i would be submitting the patch now.
ascii_field: if this is an actual flaw, it ought to be fixed in a way which marginalizes and lowers into pederasty the phoundation, rather than legitimizes it.
ascii_field: for perhaps the first time, i remind mircea_popescu to think of the political, and not vice-versa
mircea_popescu: in any case : the actual significance of this switch in crypto terms could benefit from a review.
ascii_field: for so long as openssl, bdb, are in the mix, the bug mine is bottomless.
mircea_popescu: i dun see it's imposed by anything but the dubious quality of code writing employed throughout this project.
mircea_popescu: but the reaosn they weren't is specifically that we knew that it's early.
ascii_field: there is no known end to the supply of these.
mircea_popescu: you know it's a trivial fix for trb also.
ascii_field: and into the holding pen.
ascii_field: the way i see it, usg continues in the effort to force folks off classical clients
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it has this pr stink to it.
ascii_field: which afaik is harmless to anyone who isn't a moron
ascii_field: nobody asked me, but letting the enemy spray his relevance-piss-pheromone on the thing is far more of a nuisance than the existing malleability.
mircea_popescu: you see, it's a probabilistic thing.
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/commit/a28fb70e45d764e558966ba3b02bd16e02b11c14 << What they point to as the introduction of low-s encoding
mircea_popescu: but yes, will need to be looked into moar.
BingoBoingo: Power rangers are claiming this wasn't introduced until 0.9
BingoBoingo: The thing is does 0.5.X produce low-s transactions?
mircea_popescu: i think this is how it works with women and ass grabbing too.
BingoBoingo: If widely deployed this change would eliminate the last remaining known vector for nuisance malleability on SIGHASH_ALL P2PKH transactions. On the down-side it will block most transactions made by sufficiently out of date software."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile righyt here, expert C in field p says something so outrageously stupid (and it's not just one thing - all his forays into finance and investing read like he's a vocational school most likely to succeed from kharkov) in e that it's actually...endearing.
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/8ecWN << Turdlicious upgrade forcing attempt
mircea_popescu: here's a puzzling fact. in some cases, expert A in field a saying something stupid in field b not only turns me off on A, but sometimes even makes me reevaluate his expertise of field a.
mircea_popescu: there is no inflation, if there it is two, maybe three years out at the earliest. This is massive deflation before your eyes, not even including the outstanding credit card balances and other personal loans which will never get paid, especially when the jobs start evaporating."
mircea_popescu: "I'm putting myself on the record (not that I haven't a dozen other times on this site):
mircea_popescu: they make like 500bux for the journalistic integritits.
ascii_field: 'This 1 Simple Trick "Fixes" Your Erectile Dysfunction.'
ascii_field: from same publication: 'How To Destroy Any Attacker In Seconds Using Only Your Bare Hands.'
mircea_popescu: did they ask more than 10 people (in texas) ?
mircea_popescu: "how to suck the cock" i would say.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they're satisfied.
mircea_popescu: it probably served half the teens in romania by now, if numbers have any meaning.
ascii_field: 'how cock is sucked'. but engl. lacks reflexive, how to ~really~ translate ?
mircea_popescu: but this - no. month by month, 2nd.
ascii_field: and the 1st ?
mircea_popescu: still is today.
mircea_popescu: that article is lulzy - it was the 2nd most read article each month since pretty much its publishing
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gabrielradio: jurov, i think this is the one http://trilema.com/2012/cum-se-suge-pula-ghid-pentru-juma-de-sex-oral/ . next in line after the "what interests me in a project" one
BingoBoingo: In other news St Louis passed their 2014 homicide total today, with 2.5 months to go
mircea_popescu: now, if only they had sane people in charge, doling out those missed paycheques.
mircea_popescu: because near-everybody there, like everywhere, is also an imbecile.
ascii_field: but the present day crop of hobo is not evenly distributed, no.
mircea_popescu: to their great benefit.
ascii_field: anyway in usa it is a very simple matter, as described by herr orlov: near-everybody there is 2 or 3 missed paycheques away from hobo-dom.
mircea_popescu: the question wasn't about dying there.
ascii_field: hobo trump.
ascii_field: perhaps. but my mind boggles at the picture of a hobo bush.