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mircea_popescu: shit like that makes nahorai cry.
mircea_popescu: you show me a roomfull of 20 year olds that all supposedly have an intuitive understanding of number theory, i see both the reason poor brin looks like he sucks corcoduse his entire life and a candidate for hanging.
asciilifeform: this is kinda what civilians end up doing with mathematical terminology.
asciilifeform: there is a legend, iirc, that a go board & stones set somehow made its way to euler. but sans the rules, or any reasonable notion thereof! he then inferred that it was played by throwing the stones into the little cavity on the underside of the board.
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu, no offense taken. I have mostly explored Red Square at my own leisure, but still consider myself a stranger there.
adlai: funkenstein_: for what purpose you comparing? most useful metrics won't be too dependent on "difference from MRCA", but my intuitive kick barrel is starting to scrape
mircea_popescu: the crime of math is that people have gone on this "intuitive" kick. it only works RARELY.
adlai: but TCO doesn't help spiders recurse through the log-tree
asciilifeform was just about to utter something like what mircea_popescu just observed re: the maths, but now doesn't need to !
adlai: funkenstein_: most recent common ancestor. you and i have one, we and the ants have one. probably not the same one.
mircea_popescu: sentation or not has no bearing on this. and for that matter, not knowing set theory is no fucking crime, most people don't, and this includes most people who are intelligent and have intelligent things to say.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ understand, it's not that i dislike you or that i mean to do you the boo boo or anything. but there is a difference between the guy that was taken by hand through red square and the guy who lives in moscow. and i don't believe you are familiar with a whole bunch of superior math simply because it's not possible to be so disorganised in other aspects if that were the case. whether you recognize words on pre
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i mean, it doesn't exist in any mainstream programming system, of the kind favoured by the tards
funkenstein_: if that helps
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, was on the list ?
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ that dun work tho.
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 17:57:58; mircea_popescu: if you harbored any doubts the vermin in question is not merely vermin but teleguided vermin, there you go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2015#1329234 << i'm still having trouble figuring out how tailcalls came up. possibly because my redditard dosimeter is maxed out for the month ☝︎
funkenstein_: i will ask when I don't understand, how about that :)
mircea_popescu: your opinion as to what you're familiar with ain't worth two shits.
mircea_popescu: obviously the discussion of metrics, ordered sets etc is useful in the general, but i don't think he's familiar with the field and so i won't use it.
adlai: funkenstein_: "sucking less" is multidimensional, you can have progress away from the origin (MRCA?) without imposing an absolute ordering of betterness across all individuals
mircea_popescu: most tellingly, and the heuristic i generally recognize it by, is the inability to find the places where no context is possible.
funkenstein_: no it has to do with making logical statements for the purposes of communication
mircea_popescu: your notion of "context" is rooted in a certain equalitarian mindset that has nothing to do with reality.
funkenstein_: It is not the "equality" in these threads that is bogus but the mere comparison without context.
mircea_popescu: but that said, a meson-strained ant would be an interesting thing.
mircea_popescu: "A is magically comparable to B on the grounds that I believe!"
funkenstein_: if A is "just better" than B, there must be some magical divinity in whose image A is closer too.. this seems equally retarded
mircea_popescu: is this "spoken poetry" or something ?
funkenstein_: there's not much room for magical divinity anywhere in these considerations so I think I'm missing the point
funkenstein_: in terms of socialization, biomass, number of legs: ants are superior
funkenstein_: in terms of sucking cock, playing bach, solving rubics cubes: humas are superior
funkenstein_: anyway, in terms of mortality, kingdom animalia, being made of baryonic matter, to name a few: ants and humans are equal
funkenstein_: so what kind of ordinance was that ascii?
mircea_popescu: then once you've noticed this you notice the insecapable similarities with the systemv maggot, and there you go.
mircea_popescu: inept gofer @ google wouldn't on his own belt come up with the shit.
mircea_popescu: if you harbored any doubts the vermin in question is not merely vermin but teleguided vermin, there you go. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: it's a major point to everyone with a clue, both for practical and historical considerations.
asciilifeform: (btw this subject is near & dear to yours truly, as it was one of the historic 'holy wars' between the common lisp and scheme aficionados - the latter system had tailcall elimination as a required mechanism per the standard, the former - did not)
asciilifeform: with tail call optimization !!1111
assbot: Logged on 21-11-2015 17:33:32; mircea_popescu: well yes, the problem with the magical thinking of retards is that they assume there's a divinity somehwere in whose image they were made.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-11-2015#1329151 << go back to there, flow through once more. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: meh that didn't work.
mircea_popescu: ng part : you keep wanting to insert the same thing back in no matter what. <<< go back to.
funkenstein_: all be the same weight to nearest nanogram?
funkenstein_: as in, all occupy the same point of space?
funkenstein_: "us to be all equal"
mircea_popescu: which that.
funkenstein_: what would that even mean?
mircea_popescu: which is the reason sane people paint chunks of metal with idiots' guts.
mircea_popescu: no. because they wanted "us to be all equal".
mircea_popescu: and it still gotta be won two to five times each century, because women still produce lazy stupid worms instead of people as a default.
funkenstein_: because they thought for themselves instead of following orders
mircea_popescu: the sad story here is that this is a war we already fucking won. about... uh i dunno, fifty times to date.
mircea_popescu: why do you think they were hunted like fucking witches.
mircea_popescu: what, that they were offensively fucking stupiod ?
funkenstein_: anyway this is hardly an emphasized aspect of quakerism that moldberg points out
funkenstein_: well I agree, they don't mean much until a context is provided
mircea_popescu: wehen used in the manner you seem to use them yes they are useless.
funkenstein_: just, grey areas exist where they stop working well
funkenstein_: well I've heard these words used on occasion and they not useless
mircea_popescu: you've classified things as "big" "heap" "black" and "white" ?
funkenstein_: i guess with ideal objects this is true
mircea_popescu: for one thing that is not an excuse even if it were true ; for another thing it is not true at all.
funkenstein_: granted, there are cases where it's hard to define but it is so with all classifications
mircea_popescu: (incidentally the reason we were even stguck with that nonsense, which is currently "id papers". but which has been a public nuisance throughout)
funkenstein_: no, only that I can write code to define the object
mircea_popescu: now you're presuming there exists a heavenly Births & Deaths register ☟︎
funkenstein_: the class of things that are born and die
mircea_popescu: this being the magic thinking part : you keep wanting to insert the same thing back in no matter what.
mircea_popescu: now you are stating that a class exist that doesn't.
funkenstein_: hmm.. in stating that two objects are both members of a class
funkenstein_: can't we steganograph some coin in there?
mircea_popescu: no, meaningless in the absolute form. "incapable of carrying meaning".
funkenstein_: meaningless to some thread sure but certainly meaningful in relation to consideration of mortality or definition of individuality
funkenstein_: hmm thanks ascii somehow I missed his mention of quakerism, I am particularly interested therin
funkenstein_: that one ant right there, also was born and will die.. just like me
mircea_popescu: the problem with recognizing you're an individual doesn't exist. the problem with "just like any" is that you invent a homomorphism that does not exist.
funkenstein_: I see the inner light doctrine problem ok.. but I'm not sure what's wrong with recognizing I am an individual just like any ant
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asciilifeform: during the 19th century. But that's a different discussion.) Thus what we call hate speech is merely a 20th-century name for the age-old crime of blasphemy.'
asciilifeform: 'Even more precisely, it is a core doctrine of the neo-primitive Christianity that we call Protestantism. And specifically, I believe it to be a mutated and metastasized version of the Quaker doctrine of the Inner Light. Basically, all humans must be neurologically uniform because we all have the same little piece of God inside us. (All the American Protestant sects, or at least all the Northern ones, became heavily Quakerized
mircea_popescu: it's really the unifying core of retard mental processes.
mircea_popescu: "i just want"/"i'm just trying to" derives directly from this as well.
asciilifeform: and placed it at the root of the 'they're people just like you!!11111' contagion
asciilifeform: mr mold identified this in vintage puritan spew as 'the inner light doctrine'
mircea_popescu: well yes, the problem with the magical thinking of retards is that they assume there's a divinity somehwere in whose image they were made. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: but the assumption you discuss was not in my comment.
funkenstein_: no i don't.. can't even properly place the monty python character at the moment
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ wait, you actually know that guy ?
funkenstein_: the trouble with biggles stuff there is that people assume there is some kind of universal context in which phrases like "above others" or "higher level" mean something
asciilifeform: y while the attacker is studying the actual problem of forging signatures. Maybe we're studying the problem of attacking one key while the attacker is studying the actual problem of attacking a large batch of keys. This oversimplification is surprisingly common...'
asciilifeform: 'Maybe we're studying the problem of setting public factorization records using academic computer clusters, while the attacker is studying the problem of factoring 1024-bit keys as quickly as possible using billion-dollar clusters. Or maybe, in an effort to advertise attractively simple problems, we've oversimplified the problem of attacking the actual cryptosystem. Maybe we're studying the problem of recovering a signature ke
funkenstein_: not bad thanks
mircea_popescu: what is usg ? this, basically.
mircea_popescu: [–]mrbiggles00007 0 points1 point2 points 1 day ago (1 child) "Anyone who puts themselves above others in how they would handle any given situation as if they are operating at a higher level than everyone else is usually a fuckwit in my book."
mircea_popescu: actually having a ready window into the universe of 15yos that you open only when you feel like is not so bad.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3tjqop/so_we_can_now_confirm_that_quantik_has_autism/ << "til" that "the biggest xanax manufacturer on the planet" is on retarddit.
mircea_popescu: lmao the 21co derps don't take bitcoin in exchange for their "bitcoin"-whatever it is